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[mandos]

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While the main quest could rely on "He's the chosen one", the side quests could be managed by a trigger for a time limit.

Good point. I am just at my first playthrough of Arktwend, and i noticed some things when comparing it against nehrim and all the elder scrolls. First to your point, i absolutely agree. Quest timers are absolutely essential and can be used as a device to keep your questlog from overflooding, and indefinitely postponing some minor quests. It might be interesting option to abandon quest as well.
When you are send on your first mission of skyrim's mage guild. The guy tells you to be there tommorow, but when i finally got around to do it after half a year, all the students and teachers were just standing there as if it was yesterday. I think that in this case it would be much more interesting to have a note pinned on the door, saying that "you were late, so we did the exploration without you, for your assignement you have to bring some artifacts from Sarthal" < and this would launch pretty much the same quest, with only difference that you would not have any assistance in the ruins. Or you could go back to Guild and get that teacher. Or something other.

My next suggestion which i have realized is that the sleeping/resting mechanics are not really doing any good to the system as a whole. Summoning the resting/waiting dialogue anytime you want is sort of waste of potential for all those taverns, inns and sleeping bags and tents in game. If you could limit the sleeping dialogue to beds, and cut off the waiting at wish this could be huge improvement...in my opinion.

The last thing which i would like to throw into the mix is your approach into economics of the game. At the moment in terms of money management if you played one elder scrolls, you played them all (including Arktwend, Nehrim, (hopefully not) Enderal). In Nehrim, my troubles with finances ended the moment i found mortar and pestle. In Skyrim you can pretty soon in game craft potions from 2 alchemy ingredients which you can sell for 1000 gold...so first thing thats need to be done is to make self made potions to be of 0 value. Second, i had an idea that it would be more interesting when you are low on funds you could rent a house...or room. Cheaper than inn (paid in weeks not every day), cheaper than buying a house, yet you have access to it only if you pay your rent regularly, and if you for some reason cant than you loose the house(however items stored in there would be waiting for you when you pay your rent again). This way you could keep moneymaking to be real, consequentional, and required. And the menial jobs would have much more sense than, woodcutting would be essential, and you could create much more employements(for example courier, could work like the wanted quests in nehrim, no voice acting required, just pickup a bunch of letters that needs to be delivered to city where you are going, and in 2 days you have to deliver them You could still do the same thing as in every other game (raid dungeons etc.), but it would be nice to have an incentive to play the game differently, thats what rpgs are for

P.S: It might be a little soon to ask, but are you thinking about incorporating something like hard core mode from New Vegas? You know, hunger, thirst, sleep, maybe some of the features mentioned above for hardcore rpg gamers, but still friendly for newbies to simply opt out of it?:)

[Entainel]

More ritualistic magic. Let's say, better magnitude of a spell if ingredient used. Longer casting time but stronger effects. Maybe something like combo-casting in order to get wanted effect. For instance:

What I mean... (description of kinetic magic)
1.Player starts incantation[that could be much longer than skyrimz shout loadings] lets call it Telekinetic push(or whatever!)
2.If player will not do anything else, while incantating kinetic push, at the end of incantation he will just skyrim fusrodah/star wars force push/other fiction telekinetic attack. Magnitude will depend on the time spent on incantation... Nothing differs from skyrim for now. But hear me, hear me. Now the fun part.
3. If, just before/during incantation, player channels on right hand water element, and on the left hand wind element... he would get cooled water, that would be Ice attack : ), here we go for fireball!,Fire and wind... etc... etc... after each spell cast 'elements' on hands would reset to 'empty' so player would have to pick them again to cast another spell(shout cooldown would add another factor that mage would have to deal with when choosing what spell he haz to cast on enemy/himself/friend). (combine this with key-binds 1. Wind, 2. Water, 3. Fire, 4. Earth, 5. Void, 6. whatever... and we get almost real-like incantations ; ) )

Magic would not be click-to-kill anymore ! And player would have to time everything well, and focus like 'real' mage ; )


Ritual circle ? Summoning? With first incantation player creates 3 - stage ritual circle
1(FUS! ; ] ). Establishing circle with channeling (could look like protection circle or rune)letz call it "life" or "creation" element
2(RO!). continue with 'life' element on one hand but on other hand water.
3.(dah ). two hands water now, and soon end of the incantation.

We have living frost elemental! For 'summoning' there can be item requirement, sth like 'spark of life crystal' or soul crystal... rly whatever! still there is more challenge in magic done like this than simple click-to-cast.

Combinations and spells would be unlimited. I would eat my pants if magic in Enderal would look like this or at least some part/one school of magic.

Some spells could be prepared to cast earlier and kept in... Yeah, what? Maybe head, with limited space for it. Please do not dissapoint me with magic in Enderal like magic in skyrim did. Only spells that I found immersive were... well... Ward spells...

Yes for more challenging and immersive magic system! (and whoah, some spells players will have to/could get to know on their own! or studying proper in-game book for instrutions :O! )


Think of magic veins where casted spells are stronger. Or ancient teleportation ritual circles etched in stones, that could glow like dragon words in skyrim. Those veins and circles could be for one-time-use but with recovery time like harvested plants that grow again. From the tech-side additionally it could be like that:

Shout recovery bar would be cooldown bar for spells as well... why ? Cause mana pool would be like 2000 almost not able to regenerate points, only by meditation/mana veins/breaking soul gems rituals(not allowed during a fight) This would add impression of getting tired.
And now? If magica is out, and still casting spells? CONSUME HEALTH! at great rates. Magic is dangerous art after all.
(Concentration perks for lower incantation[shout] cooldown, so many possibilities )

Weakest spells could be casted without incantation, like telekinesis that would lift items up to certain weight or those small funny fire-bolts or pure-energy(kinetic) pushes.


Sorry for my poor english.
I am a bit ill so please be understanding.

[Nicolas Samuel]

More ritualistic magic. Let's say, better magnitude of a spell if ingredient used. Longer casting time but stronger effects. Maybe something like combo-casting in order to get wanted effect. For instance:

What I mean... (description of kinetic magic)
1.Player starts incantation[that could be much longer than skyrimz shout loadings] lets call it Telekinetic push(or whatever!)
2.If player will not do anything else, while incantating kinetic push, at the end of incantation he will just skyrim fusrodah/star wars force push/other fiction telekinetic attack. Magnitude will depend on the time spent on incantation... Nothing differs from skyrim for now. But hear me, hear me. Now the fun part.
3. If, just before/during incantation, player channels on right hand water element, and on the left hand wind element... he would get cooled water, that would be Ice attack : ), here we go for fireball!,Fire and wind... etc... etc... after each spell cast 'elements' on hands would reset to 'empty' so player would have to pick them again to cast another spell(shout cooldown would add another factor that mage would have to deal with when choosing what spell he haz to cast on enemy/himself/friend). (combine this with key-binds 1. Wind, 2. Water, 3. Fire, 4. Earth, 5. Void, 6. whatever... and we get almost real-like incantations ; ) )

Magic would not be click-to-kill anymore ! And player would have to time everything well, and focus like 'real' mage ; )

Thanks for your suggestion! That's a very nice idea indeed, but it also would take a lot of time and scripting to implement. We'll think abour your suggestion - But be reasurred that we already decided on some deep changes in the magic system.

[badgesareus]

If you could limit the sleeping dialogue to beds, and cut off the waiting

There are many times when waiting is necessary and there are no inns or beds nearby. For example, sometimes (often, actually) my follower (in Skyrim) gets lost somewhere, but by waiting an hour he/she suddenly appears. Sometimes I need to sell some loot to a shop that should be open but is still closed, so I wait an hour. What should I do, go to an inn at 8 AM and rent a room so I can sleep for 1 hour? Sometimes I must wait a few hours until morning or until night, or until someone goes to sleep. Finding an inn is not feasible.

More ritualistic magic. Let's say, better magnitude of a spell if ingredient used. Longer casting time but stronger effects. Maybe something like combo-casting in order to get wanted effect. For instance:

What I mean... (description of kinetic magic)
1.Player starts incantation[that could be much longer than skyrimz shout loadings] lets call it Telekinetic push(or whatever!)
2.If player will not do anything else, while incantating kinetic push, at the end of incantation he will just skyrim fusrodah/star wars force push/other fiction telekinetic attack. Magnitude will depend on the time spent on incantation... Nothing differs from skyrim for now. But hear me, hear me. Now the fun part.
3. If, just before/during incantation, player channels on right hand water element, and on the left hand wind element... he would get cooled water, that would be Ice attack : ), here we go for fireball!,Fire and wind... etc... etc... after each spell cast 'elements' on hands would reset to 'empty' so player would have to pick them again to cast another spell(shout cooldown would add another factor that mage would have to deal with when choosing what spell he haz to cast on enemy/himself/friend). (combine this with key-binds 1. Wind, 2. Water, 3. Fire, 4. Earth, 5. Void, 6. whatever... and we get almost real-like incantations ; ) )

Magic would not be click-to-kill anymore ! And player would have to time everything well, and focus like 'real' mage ; )


Ritual circle ? Summoning? With first incantation player creates 3 - stage ritual circle
1(FUS! ; ] ). Establishing circle with channeling (could look like protection circle or rune)letz call it "life" or "creation" element
2(RO!). continue with 'life' element on one hand but on other hand water.
3.(dah ). two hands water now, and soon end of the incantation.

Takes too much time (and reminds me quite a bit of Two Worlds II). When I need a spell, usually, I need it RIGHT NOW.

This way you could keep moneymaking to be real, consequentional, and required. And the menial jobs would have much more sense than, woodcutting would be essential

I most enjoy exploration and discovery in an RPG. Quests that advance exploration and discovery are most welcome. When I pass through an area the first time, I want to explore it fully. After that, having to travel the same path by foot or animal just wastes time and is BORING, which is why I prefer fast travel to places already discovered. Having to chop wood or pick potatoes once an hour is BORING. Look, fantasy RPGs are not realistic by nature. I recall some where you had to eat and sleep regularly or lose energy or health. What next, have a bladder bar that reminds you to pee every hour or your mana melts away? Many of these time-wasting devices are put into commercial RPGs so the marketers can claim "60 hours of game play", when in fact, it is 30 hours of game play and 30 hours of time-wasting. Well, I better get off of my soap box (I wonder if that translates into German).

[Entainel]

1.About magic.

Takes too much time (and reminds me quite a bit of Two Worlds II). When I need a spell, usually, I need it RIGHT NOW.

Dunno wat Two Worlds II is... but too much time? It would just take a bit more time than regular 3-part shout in Skyrim. Player should have some skill and put work in mastering fast changes in spells between loading shout parts (adding shout-part bar to the interface would not be a problem at all). Spells would be just a little slower but should be stronger. I just can't stand that every mage in TES is fireball-AK-47, wtf? Magic in all decent fantasy books/games/movies was not something that needs just a blink of an eye. Maybe mastering certain magic schools would allow to cast magic faster but novices doing fire-apocalypse to all enemies from the very beginning of the game is just wrong, WRONG. Maybe not all of the spells... but some of them?

In my further part of da prev post I wrote that there could be a system that would allow to pre-cast spells and keep like 2 or 3 'pre-loaded' for instant use. (we know that from somewhere ? ; P)

2. About travel-system:

I agree that there should be some good travel system, like teleports in Morrowind or carriages... But I say BIG no for fast-travel/teleports everywhere.
I do not consider running through well-made world again and again a waste of time(1.I like immersion, 2. I love travels ). Why? Because it forces player to consider the benefits of going somewhere or not going... Everything in Enderal should be made to affect player decisions as the real world events affect us to do something or not to do. For example I carve a choco bar but I am to lazy to go to the shop, so I won't. (I hope you guys see what stands behind that example and I don't have to explain it further : P ).

[mandos]

I agree that there should be some good travel system, like teleports in Morrowind or carriages... But I say BIG no for fast-travel/teleports everywhere.

100% Agree. But i think that they had this down pretty much in Nehrim, so i dont think that fast travel will be coming back anytime soon.
Although i would hope that they introduce more varied travel system, like in morrowind, and less Rune fasttravel. It becomes a little easy after a while. Almsivi/Divine interventions were the best for getting out of a hotspots, and random part of it was a +.

In my further part of da prev post I wrote that there could be a system that would allow to pre-cast spells and keep like 2 or 3 'pre-loaded' for instant use. (we know that from somewhere ? ; P)

just to be sure, did you meant Arx Fatalis?:)

I most enjoy exploration and discovery in an RPG. Quests that advance exploration and discovery are most welcome. When I pass through an area the first time, I want to explore it fully. Having to chop wood or pick potatoes once an hour is BORING. Look, fantasy RPGs are not realistic by nature. I recall some where you had to eat and sleep regularly or lose energy or health. What next, have a bladder bar that reminds you to pee every hour or your mana melts away? Many of these time-wasting devices are put into commercial RPGs so the marketers can claim "60 hours of game play", when in fact, it is 30 hours of game play and 30 hours of time-wasting.

It seems that you are confusing rpg with a sandbox action game like just cause, far cry, or...you know... Skyrim. Nothing against them, they are great fun, but Rpgs? Please. When you say that you want them to focus on exploration and discovery, what you are asking for is medieval hiking simulator, actual reduction of rpg elements, more of a streamliners approach. I had enough of that in Skyrim, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Just Cause, etc.... only exception to this from modern era is New Vegas, and i wouldnt call that exactly "device for artificially prolonging the amount of gameplay that we can stick onto the box". Would you mind specifing which "commercial" games suffer from this "too much rpg elements" plague? I would love to play them.

Aim of my objection against easy moneymaking is not that it needs to be intentionaly frustrating, but there needs to be variety of possibilities to earn, as well as where to spend them. In the current Skyrim setup, you spend half off the game just hoarding and selling stuff for money, and when having enough of them...you realize that you dont need them for...pretty much anything. You can just level faster by training, or buy crafting items instead of hunting for them...which makes a little difference in the end.

Problem with Skyrim is in my opinion that it doesnt offer pretty much anything else than killing stuff in the same fashion and then running around (quite small) map looking at the environment. I want more. I want actual interaction, not just pretty looking prop.
For example your objection that you need often wait 1 hour or so is legit, but it only works because the whole system is setup the way it is, that you dont need to be aware of such issues as time, part of the day that you are currently in, etc.
If you for example would have to sleep in game, the game would get a new dimension, in which you would be sleeping at night and questing in a day, or vice versa for a thief, or any combination in between. I t would take actual planning and decision making, not just rushing from one dungeon to another, unloading stuff at the trader, rinse,repeat.

Who the hell buys games based on how much of gameplay it promises anyway? Skyrim got boring and empty after 50 hours for me in this regard, should i ask for a refund?

[badgesareus]

What is the problem with having fast travel for those who prefer it? If you enjoy walking across the same paths you've already explored, over and over and over again, the existence of a fast travel system does not prohibit that. Whether there is a fast travel system available by map clicking or carriage-clicking (such as Skyrim), or using runes and teleports (such as Nehrim, in part), or some other method shouldn't matter to you. Just don't use it and walk everywhere. For example, in Skyrim, if you are in Riften and you must travel to Solitude, you can fast-travel by map-clicking if you have already been there, or fast-travel using the carriage. However, nothing prohibits you from walking all the way, if you prefer to do so -- but how long would it take (in real-time minutes)? And those of us who want to do something more interesting with our time can use the fast travel system. Maybe you like alchemy and you want to pick the plants that respawn. Maybe instead of using them to make potions, you should be able to smoke them.

It seems that you are confusing rpg with a sandbox action game like just cause, far cry, or...you know... Skyrim.

How absurd. Just Cause is a third-person shooter, and Far Cry is a first-person shooter. On the other hand, Skyrim has been named RPG Game of the Year by several different publications and organizations, (as was its Elder Scrolls predecessors), so if you don't believe that Skyrim is an RPG, there are obviously many who would disagree with you.

Dunno wat Two Worlds II is

Two Worlds II is an RPG sequel to Two Worlds. It has a rather unique and complex magic system. If you like playing mage-type characters, you should take a look at its magic. I'm sure you can do a search and locate the 2W2 forum which has a guide to it.

[Entainel]

What is the problem with having fast travel for those who prefer it? If you enjoy walking across the same paths you've already explored, over and over and over again, the existence of a fast travel system does not prohibit that. Whether there is a fast travel system available by map clicking or carriage-clicking (such as Skyrim), or using runes and teleports (such as Nehrim, in part), or some other method shouldn't matter to you. Just don't use it and walk everywhere. For example, in Skyrim, if you are in Riften and you must travel to Solitude, you can fast-travel by map-clicking if you have already been there, or fast-travel using the carriage.

Why? Because it forces player to consider the benefits of going somewhere or not going... Everything in Enderal should be made to affect player decisions as the real world events affect us to do something or not to do.

It's like I already answered that xD. You want fast travel? Ok, but I think game should be done in a way that does not consider such things or otherwise it will be spoiled. I can agree that fast travel can be an OPTION for lazy power-gamers with no immersion sense at all : P

[badgesareus]

I can agree that fast travel can be an OPTION for lazy power-gamers with no immersion sense at all

Lazy? Probably, that's why I sit on my butt playing PC RPGs instead of cutting the grass or washing the car. Power-Gamer? I don't know what that means, but it sounds pretty cool so I'd like to be one. Oh, but my favorite weapon is a longbow and I rarely use magic, so can I still be a Power-Gamer? No immersion sense? That's probably true; I've played through Nehrim 5 times and average about 115 hours each time, and my first play-through in Skyrim ended at 170+ hours, so its true if I had any sense I wouldn't immerse myself like that. Fast travel an OPTION? Yeesss, why not? Put it in the game settings so you could turn it on or off, so those who want to immerse themselves by walking everywhere could turn it off and not be tempted to use it even once! In fact, I think the same setting should also turn off the ability to run, so you could really walk everywhere to fully immerse yourself; you could still sprint a short distance if you really had to!

[mandos]

Skyrim has been named RPG Game of the Year by several different publications and organizations, (as was its Elder Scrolls predecessors), so if you don't believe that Skyrim is an RPG, there are obviously many who would disagree with you.

Of course they are, and i could write a ten thousand word essay on why they are wrong. But we can continue that discussion in another topic, i dont want to hijack this thread.

if you are in Riften and you must travel to Solitude, you can fast-travel by map-clicking if you have already been there, or fast-travel using the carriage. However, nothing prohibits you from walking all the way, if you prefer to do so

i never said that i am against transportation as a whole, i said i am against fast travel, which is a huge difference.

Maybe you like alchemy and you want to pick the plants that respawn. Maybe instead of using them to make potions, you should be able to smoke them.

Yes, it would be nice, but my next question would be how does that enhances gameplay (i am not saying it cant). One more time, there is a sentiment nowadays that game (an RPG) needs to have almost the same amount (usually greater) of "action"(read fighting) as its counterparts in action genres. What does then separates it from being called an action game? Being a first person? Third? Its a shooter? First person hack and slasher? Whats the difference then? As i said before, what i like about rpg games is that you are allowed to play them differently, and to your liking. Streamlining is killing rpgs in my opinion. From what you are saying it looks like it is possible to rpg ANY game that is out there, rpg or not.

I think the same setting should also turn off the ability to run, so you could really walk everywhere to fully immerse yourself; you could still sprint a short distance if you really had to!

Exactly thats my point! I actually agree with you! I have already said this in my first reply to this topic, but imagine that simple running would drain your fatigue somewhat more significantly than it is now (ehm, "now" is not draining at all actually). You would actually had some kind of incentive to ride a horse! Which is at the moment, honestly, none. It would actually be good for something, not just yey im riding a horse, no matter that i can run faster on my legs...and for longer time...

Please tell me honestly, do you think that there is any use for horses now in Skyrim? Except that "they are there".
I think this is the essence of "lazyness" in game development.
Just putting something in for sake of it being there, without any thoughts on how it ties to the overall concept of gameplay. Or cutting something out in the same fashion, instead of making it functioning for the concept. Like weapon and armor condition.

[greenlight]

To me there is a big difference between fast-travel and transportation as in Morrowind. Simple fast travel as in Oblivion or Skyrim is really immersion breaking, because it's just "click at the location and be there" - you aren't really travelling. On the other hand, the silt striders in Morrowind were an actual transportation method; you walk up to the platform, choose your destination and pay for it. The transport by a wagon in Skyrim was similar.
Of course no one forces a player to use fast travel, but if the option is available, people will use it. In order to get the players to travel through the hand-crafted world, you have to force them somehow

[badgesareus]

do you think that there is any use for horses now in Skyrim? Except that "they are there"

Personally, I never rode horses in Oblivion or Skyrim, and in Nehrim only when required to by the game. Well, except for the nightmare you get in Skyrim from the Dark Brotherhood, I didn't ride it but it was fun watching it kill a dragon or wiping out an entire fort. I agree there isn't any use for them as is, and the controls are awkward. If you have played Sacred 2, you know how mounts can be made interesting and useful, as by selecting a certain mount one could boost certain abilities at the expense of others, and the movement controls were the same as for the player.

Here is a suggestion for travel in Enderal. First, have some type of paid-for transportation such as silt striders or the Skyrim wagon. Second,
instead of having the teleport system as used in Nehrim, have only the mark/recall spells, but allow multiple marks, perhaps 5 or so. That way, a player could have some degree of fast travel but would have to take decisions where to use them most effectively. Third (maybe) have mounts that are easy to control (like using the basic WASD & mouse keys) and that affect the rider's abilities or stats in some way. In fact, perhaps they could have their own skill tree and you could take them to trainers to improve their abilities to fight or travel more quickly. You might even be able to use blacksmith skills for them -- Daedric horseshoes? -- or use alchemy to make them special potions.

In order to get the players to travel through the hand-crafted world, you have to force them somehow

I disagree. For me, the whole point of a wide-open RPG is for players to go where they want, do what they want, and not be forced into anything, unless they choose to. I think those who choose to play Enderal will certainly want to travel through the hand-crafted world. My point is that, after a while you have discovered all there is to discover along certain paths, and traveling them becomes a chore. Plants, animals, bandits, etc. may be respawned, how about spawning structures, caves, etc. along the paths/roads, so that you would have meaningful new encounters along a previously traveled road. Hey, there is a cave, or a bandit camp, or an inn that wasn't there last time through! Wow, that recent thunderstorm caused a mudslide that uncovered an unknown dungeon!

[Nicolas Samuel]

Here is a suggestion for travel in Enderal. First, have some type of paid-for transportation such as silt striders or the Skyrim wagon. Second,
instead of having the teleport system as used in Nehrim, have only the mark/recall spells, but allow multiple marks, perhaps 5 or so. That way, a player could have some degree of fast travel but would have to take decisions where to use them most effectively.

That's basically what we are planning. We are not yet sure about how the mark/recall-spells but there'll most likely be a paid-for transportation. The thing with mark/recall-spells is that they usually make the paid-for travel obsolete once obtained. What do you think about a recall-spell that teleports the player back to a waypoint from where he can teleport himself to waypoints throughout the country, especially the dangerous area where no "silt striders" can go. (We'll have something way more exciting. )

[mandos]

I disagree. For me, the whole point of a wide-open RPG is for players to go where they want, do what they want, and not be forced into anything, unless they choose to.

Well i can agree with most of your post, however i think you are missing the point. Fast Travel, as it stands now is a huge cut from immersion. Why? Because it makes key elements of an exploration obsolete.

I can still remember my first playthrough of Morrowind. I was just on very long hiking trip through Sheogorath Region, when i found myself on the almost northernmost tip of the isles with broken sword, armor, no almsivi, no divine intervention, no recall, no nothing, and to top it all quite low level.
I remember asking myself "how the hell am i going to get back to the civilization"? First i had to swam through the sea filled with nasty creatures, which i had no way of fighting back, then find the main isle, sneak past couple daedric ruins, run from winged twilight, followed by cliffracers and other nasty critters, finally reaching the safety of the harbor(dont remember name), and get back to balmora to fix my stuff. At the time no internet, no console use(didnt know how), and i remember this still today as a highpoint of my gaming times.
Now nothing like this can happen, because the fast travel doesnt allow it. It alleviates the player of decision, because it doesnt impose any cost on making a mistake. RPG is not totally about freedom, is also about the cost which it introduces for lenient approach to it. Its not about rush, its about those little (almost unnoticable) things that you can enjoy if you are in game for 10 minutes or 100 hours.
Without possibility of failure the freedom is obsolete. In Oblivion or Skyrim (or any new bethesda releases for that matter) if you find yourself outmatched you can just teleport from anywhere back to the city, resupply, and teleport back...

[badgesareus]

It alleviates the player of decision, because it doesnt impose any cost on making a mistake....Without possibility of failure the freedom is obsolete.

I agree with you in theory, but if you take your argument to the ultimate extent, one should only play "hard-core"; that is, when you die, you stay dead, your saves are wiped out and you must begin a new game. One could say that there is a spectrum of immersion from 0% to 100%, and let us say for the sake of argument that 100% = "hard-core" as stated above. The question is, where on the spectrum do the game developers draw the line, requiring some minimum degree of immersion? It has been said of many RPGs over the past few years that they have been "dumbed-down"; i.e., the minimum immersion point has been set rather low. One of the appeals of Nehrim, and presumably Enderal, is that they are not "dumbed-down." Of course, since they are not being sold commercially, they do not have to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and those people who played and enjoyed Nehrim are self-selecting for an RPG that is not "dumbed-down."

So, how do the game developers decide on a certain minimum level of immersion? There are trade-offs for increased immersion; the time and cost of development, the file size, and the playing time. For example, in Nehrim, some people objected to the red/green quest markers. However, without the quest markers, one might have more immersion in the game but more clues would have to be provided to locate the quests, requiring more development, and especially, much more of a translation challenge. So in the instance of quest markers, the developers chose practicality over greater immersion. (perhaps Enderal will be different.) So, in terms of travel/transportation options, you would like to force a high level of immersion, whereas I would urge the developers to set a lower level (i.e., some fast travel/transport) for those who don't need the same level of immersion that you do.

The thing with mark/recall-spells is that they usually make the paid-for travel obsolete once obtained. What do you think about a recall-spell that teleports the player back to a waypoint from where he can teleport himself to waypoints throughout the country, especially the dangerous area where no "silt striders" can go.

Well, using Nehrim as an example, in addition to the specific location spell, one needed to have a teleport stone which was consumed. Early in the game, when doing initial exploration, one had few of them, so they had to be used sparingly, with thought. Later, when much travel was over already known routes, more teleport stones had been accumulated, and they could be used more freely. Waypoints? I don't have any opinion.

(We'll have something way more exciting.)

Dragon taxis? A newly discovered dwarven/star people underground railway system? Giant "Dune" worms? Ahah, dwarven Segways!

[DJplumo]

Something that maybe hasn't been mentioned alot:

If you have played the Morrowind expansion: Bloodmoon you'll probably remember the quest chain where you helped developing a plot of land into a 'thriving' mining colony...
This is something I miss alot! http://uesp.net/wiki/Bloodmoon:East_Emp ... any_Quests

[Nicolas Samuel]

Yep, a lot of people suggested that! I hope we can find time to implement it!

[Hazzmat]

Latiro, are you going to make use of the extra content Bethesda has made available for your mod? ( Horse combat for cavalry units and crossbows are a nice addition ). And another question: are you going to diversify the amount of weapon types in Enderal? By that I mean you could for instance add spears and other long range weapons.

[Nicolas Samuel]

We probably will include mounted combat, since it comes with the latest version of Skyrim.

As for the assets that came with Dawnguard - We cannot use them, even though we'd love to. It's too much of a constraint, we don't want to force players to buy Dawnguard in order to play Enderal. We'll have some nice new features on our own, so we hope that'll be enough.

Greetings,

Latiro

[NamelessHero]

Are you sure you want to do that? Dawnguard has a LOT of resources that would fit in very nicely in Enderal(especially Volkihar). Why not make a poll instead? If the majority of the people would like you to use the assets from DLCs then why not?Just sayin'.