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[sphanlon]

Announced on Sureai twitter and facebook.

Crap, what happened?! Problem or just being meticulous? Two weeks is a moderately-sized window as well. Will you update us when you have a better idea on the date or will you just drop it suddenly?

[Fjodik]

The reasons are explained below, quote from reddit:

"To give a little idea of what's currently slowing down the English translation (I personally am not working on it; my job is fixing quest bugs): There are some dialogue lines whose duration is longer in English than it is in German. (While text usually becomes shorter when translated into English, things like this can happen when the English voice actor speaks more slowly or makes pauses.) Most of the time, this doesn't break things (Skyrim's dialogue system and scenes wait for the lines to end), but sometimes we handle dialogue manually (using the "Say" and "Utility.Wait" script functions), and then we end up with cut-off dialogue or, worse, CTDs because of interleaving "Say"s. So everything needs to be tested and some lines retaken Besides, as someone else said, some things are waiting for the translation (bards' songs, IIRC). Sorry for the wait, but there isn't much we can currently do about it. No, there are no hard blockers that would take months to be resolved."

[Bastion of Reason]

Darn! Hey thanks for telling us though

[badgesareus]

this can happen when the English voice actor speaks more slowly

This is very interesting! I do not speak German and know only a few dozen words, but I have been playing the German version, and as an NPC speaks, I try to read the dialog along with listening to the speaking to match my eyes and ears. I felt the German speakers were speaking at a normal conversational pace; that is to say, somewhat rapidly, at least for me to follow along the text. However, in most RPGs I have played (in English), it always seems to me that the voice actors speak too slowly, sometimes painstakingly slowly, compared to a normal conversational speed. I used to think it was just being overly dramatic, but I now realize there could be another reason.

However, this all makes sense! I would guess that the vast majority of people listening to the German voice acting are native speakers and have no trouble following along with the dialogs spoken at a normal speaking pace. However, many of the people from around the world who will be playing the English version are not native speakers of English, so for them, hearing the dialog at a slower pace makes it easier to understand and follow along (and to match the eyes and ears - dialog & text). Or maybe I am overanalyzing!

[DirtyD]

What a surprise.

[Hazzmat]

Wish they would have just released the subbed version

[Xagul]

Wish they would have just released the subbed version

Clever guy, huh? Who do you think should have worked on that when every person available is working on the release and bugfixing? Creating a subbed version would have been a waste of time prior to the release of the EV.

[FanFanStef]

Knowing German would improve my earnings a lot, yet I am 35 and never bothered to learn it. Now it seems I was awfully wrong

[Hazzmat]

Wish they would have just released the subbed version

Clever guy, huh? Who do you think should have worked on that when every person available is working on the release and bugfixing? Creating a subbed version would have been a waste of time prior to the release of the EV.

How exactly would it be a waste of time? It wasn't a waste of time for Nehrim people weren't bothered by it.

[Xagul]

Wish they would have just released the subbed version

Clever guy, huh? Who do you think should have worked on that when every person available is working on the release and bugfixing? Creating a subbed version would have been a waste of time prior to the release of the EV.

How exactly would it be a waste of time? It wasn't a waste of time for Nehrim people weren't bothered by it.

It would by delaying the release of the EV even more. As it's not just copy'n'paste-work to create a subbed version, someone has to deal with it. And doing this prior to the release is maybe not wasted but not properly invested time. Having a subbed version just for being able to play the game ain't a valid criteria to me. Maybe for you it's sufficient but they put a lot of effort in a complete voiceover which in the end gives credit to the English speaking part of the world and this should be acknowledged.
However, a subbed version is not limited to SureAI. If my memory serves me right there is a Japanese Nehrim version which was done by players. So feel free to do the same.

[badgesareus]

It seems to me most of the angst expressed by those who wish the German version were available with English subs stems from the slight delay in the release date. If memory serves, the release of Witcher 3 was delayed by more than half a year. Almost all of the RPGs from the major studios have been released late, and they typically have a hundred or more devs working on them full-time in a paid status; SureAI only has a handful of devs working unpaid during their "free" time, so a bit of patience and understanding is necessary.

If you just can't wait any longer, then play the German version. I only know a few dozen common words in German, like ice, fire, empty, shovel, etc., but I've been playing since it came out, exploring and doing everything except the main quest. At level 72, still about 20 side quests still left to do (that I know of). Often I don't understand the dialog and text, but "trial and error" (especially "error"), works for me. I'm having a great time while waiting for the EV.

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And I FINALLY killed the damn dragon!

Here is one thing I do that helps. (I use Firefox for my browser.) I open the German Enderal forum, and I open another tab with translate.google. When I play the game, I might have a question about a quest in my journal, or a location, etc. So I make a note of the name in German. Then I can go to the German forum and search for that name. I can easily copy and paste the results into the google.translate box on the other browser tab, and get some idea (usually) of what I want to know. Translate.google doesn't do too well German to English, but with some educated guesses I can figure it out, more often than not.

This takes some time and effort, but if you don't want to expend time and effort yourself, then just wait patiently rather then telling others how to spend their time and effort to give you something for free. Well, I'll get off my soapbox now. Regards.

[DirtyD]

Does english subtitles mod exists? Boi I can't wait to play it, I liked Nehrim so much.

[Xagul]

Does english subtitles mod exists? Boi I can't wait to play it, I liked Nehrim so much.

Unless you did not build one alreay, it does not (though I don't know if there is something in progress already). If you really can't wait, badgesareus described a quite good way to play without subs.

[Mufunka]

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the English subs for Nehrim release quite a bit later than the original release?

I found Nehrim shortly after it was done with the final patch so I'm not sure. Just a bit more patience and we'll be able to experience this how they intended.

[kumikaze47]

for first start am waiting for so long and now am wait fot english version
any update?

[Principe Alessandro]

Well I always thought that the English voice acting was only going to prolong the release and put even more work hours to the developers.

I praise the commitment of the modders but at the same time I really dislike those players that supported the english voice acting version of Enderal, couldn't they just accept to play with a German voice acting and English subbed version like the good old Nehrim?

[Ravensblade]

This is a perfectly legit reason. I am wondering though, is there any estimate how long this'll take? And aside from that, you might want to temporarily remove the english section from the download page

[sphanlon]

Well I always thought that the English voice acting was only going to prolong the release and put even more work hours to the developers.

I praise the commitment of the modders but at the same time I really dislike those players that supported the english voice acting version of Enderal, couldn't they just accept to play with a German voice acting and English subbed version like the good old Nehrim?

Well, I really was looking forward to it. So I guess I'm one of those people that you terribly dislike for such a great reason. Stay classy.

The german with english subtitle crowd has been pretty smug. Always telling SureaI to scrap the EV and not waste their time on such blasphemy. Well, there are many who loved the idea. Sorry I won't be playing it as God intended, apparently.

[Eolath]

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the English subs for Nehrim release quite a bit later than the original release?

I found Nehrim shortly after it was done with the final patch so I'm not sure. Just a bit more patience and we'll be able to experience this how they intended.

2-3 months later, yeah. SureAI also delayed the Nehrim English patch once, if I remember correctly.

Although EV Enderal has been delayed twice so far (Mid July - > End of July - > Mid August), it's all due to the same issue and the delays have been relatively short (2 weeks every time).

[Xagul]

There is a comment on that topic on the SureAI Facebook page, anticipating a release betwwen today an 15 August.