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[DickHair]

Hey, Hi! Everybody.
Have close to 100 hrs on Nehrim and have had a few issues that were self wrought and managed to work through them to keep playing.

As for instance, when at my safe storage chest or when with a merchant,
I learned to stop about half way through my transfers and save, then begin the dialogue anew. It worked for awhile. Otherwise I get a CTD.

But this latest one has me buffaloed. When at the shop at Castle Dorlan, during a sell, my journal suddenly flipped over to another page and went black. Then I got the CTD.
Now, I can't start the game. It begins the DOS window, then displays a larger black rectangle, then goes to Microsoft report popup. I can put the log on here if necessary.
I've tried settings .ini in launcher from Obliv to Neh and back again with no luck. Everything is set in data checks. I'm not running any mods (the map ones began some problems for me and I had to do a reinstall), so that can't be it.
Any suggestions?

[Hoxyd]

Reinstall the whole game, Oblivion and Nehrim and try again. This could be an solution.

[Tealor Arantheal]

an solution.

Thats the reason why my pal hates me ^^
Unfortunately thats not correct english XD

"an" is used when the letter "a, e, i, o, u, e" can be heard when the actual word in use provides the voice of the letter.
It's much more difficult if the letter is used but its silent.
http://www.englishclub.com/pronunciation/a-an.htm


@DickHair
My suggestion would be not to use the default Oblivion INI.
The Nehrim Laucher produces a very own INI which setup is special for Nehrim.
I get error messages from Wrye Bash everytime I load it because of the Nerhim INI.
But that's normal since Nehrim uses a special INI as I said...


I've posted my own Nehrim INI here look over it...
But be careful! It's setup for around 4GB RAM!

[DickHair]

Gracias for the swift replies.
I was rather hoping to avoid a re-install, mainly because I have around 40 mods in Oblivion stretching back 2-3 years
and wouldn't know where to place them to protect them from removal or how to replace them if something hinky happens.
A re-in on Nehrim is not so obtuse. But, here's a weird thing.

I restarted my rig and after closing down all background apps, started it and the game ran fine. Played for around 10 minutes, then went to check the journal fluke I was getting. Sure enough after a half dozen or so transfers into my safe chest---CTD!

So, I just left it for 3-4 hours until a few mins ago and tried to start it again. Same WinXP popup. It shows a 0xc0000005 code which is
an application error code.
There was some discussion over at the M$ site about an update from back in Sept causing this, but this is new; nothing has ever happened
prior to this indicative of that update being a prob for me. There are no suspicions of infections, either.

Now not sure which way to turn. I am running a 3gb switch on a 32 bit XP Pro sp3 install and run games like FarCry2, BL and S.T.A.L.K.E.R
series on max with my underpowered system. No glitches on any of these.

I guess I can keep on restarting my machine and settling for 10 minutes of playtime until it closes, but what a PITA.

The Nehrim Laucher produces an very own INI which setup is special for Nehrim.

LOL
Gorin, Wrye Bash doesn't even recognize Nehrim for me when I open it as the settings show Obliv ini as default.
How do I set the .ini to make it work?
DickHair

[Tealor Arantheal]

LOL

Ah crap ^^
You got me.

Well you should use the NehrimLauncher.exe to configure your INI for Nehrim.
Make a backup copy of your Oblivion INI and then delete it.

After that start the NehrimLauncher and let it generate the INI.

I installed an extra copy of Wrye Bash for Nehrim.
You just have to check "extra location" when installing wyre bash and inserting the path of the Nehrim folder

[DickHair]

OK, well, I did all that and couldn't start from launcher.
So, I restarted syst again, put your INI in place and still couldn't start from launcher.
Then I clicked on short cut on desktop and viola!, it started. I was in my Erothin house
and tried the chest; good so far, no CTD! yeah
Then I went out the door and boom, right back to the black screen, popup, the whole shutdown pattern.
She It.

I liked what I was able to see in your INI, though, really vibrant depth of color and a richess to the scene in the house.
But, I may not be capable of running it on my rig.

So, I guess it's try a re-in on both as Hoxy suggested. What should I save besides level data and render? I'm not sure what the uninstaller will remove from the directory.
Any hints?

Edit: I did manage to get WB installed in Nehrim btw.

[DickHair]

Well I made some progress after copying my save folder to my Nehrim directory and designating it in settings.
Still having crash on exit occasionally, but much more stable now.
Hope this is the last of my woes, jaja...
DickHair

[Tealor Arantheal]

Glad you're satisfied

Still having crash on exit occasionally

That even happens to me. This is quite a common problem since even normal Oblivion do this when some mods are installed.
Actually it should only happen when exiting from ingame.
So it should be possible to configure the game settings (controls, audio, video) from main menu.

[DickHair]

Just when I thought it was safe from the wierdness, I'm back to NO launch today after playing 6 hours yest with zero problems. And after 3-4 hrs today, got a CTD and now nada.
I found I cannot start from the OSBE loader, from the "Start Nehrin" button in the launcher or from the Oblivion.exe (which is what my shortcut points to).
Tried installing and running NIE for the improved interface and it wouldn't show up even with the .esm in the data folder as directed.
Thinking this is my issue, but after un-ticking it in both Wrye and launcher data files, it makes no diff.
Guess I'll delete it and try, then restart rig and see.
Wish I knew why I get the application error code on CTD and the unhandled exception fault with this.[*] This is all totally new after all the mods and maps I've played in other games.
It's gotta be an simple solution, heh?
[*]see spoiler

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System.IO.FileNotFoundException: File not found.
at Microsoft.VisualBasic.Interaction.Shell(String PathName, AppWinStyle Style, Boolean Wait, Int32 Timeout)
at NehrimLauncher.frmMain.ButtonStart_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3649 (GDR.050727-3600)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
----------------------------------------
NehrimLauncher
Assembly Version: 1.5.0.8
Win32 Version: 1.5.0.8
CodeBase: file:///K:/GAMES/Nehrim/NehrimLauncher.exe
----------------------------------------
Microsoft.VisualBasic
Assembly Version: 8.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 8.0.50727.3053 (netfxsp.050727-3000)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/Microsoft.VisualBasic/8.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/Microsoft.VisualBasic.dll
----------------------------------------

[Tealor Arantheal]

Well I run OBSE without any problems since it is a requirement of Nehrim Expanded.

I also made a shortcut of the OBSE loader to my desktop and only start Nehrim through that.

[DickHair]

OK, this is starting to drive me nutsy.

I removed the .esm for NIE and got the game started with the OBSE loader. But, when I went to load a previous save, I got the "...some elements used for this saved game have been removed. Do you still want to continue?" or something to that effect.
If I click YES, it displays a "file corrupted" message and then "return to game"; then it's right back at the load save screen.

If I start with launcher, here's what I encounter:

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This is right after the musical score plays for about a second, then in 3-4 more that is what pops up. If I hit continue, it just stays with the launcher window showing -Nehrim and OBSE is being started- but never does anything. If I click cancel it closes the launcher.

The only way to start is to use the Obliv.exe and play until it CTD, then restart my computer.

Really guys, I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I haven't found anything yet to correct this. I want to finish the MQ, please point me to something to try. Maybe I got some files in the wrong place or something. Don't know at this point.

Well I run OBSE without any problems since it is a requirement of Nehrim Expanded.

Was ist das?

[Tealor Arantheal]

I actually have no clue, what's wrong with your setup
As I said, I never use the Nehrim Launcher to start my game.

I directly run it from the OBSE Loader.exe.
And I have no plan what NIE is but I suggest that you shouldn't use Mods that probably never made for Nehrim.
Hm, why the hell do you have a saves folder and an Oblivion.INI in your game directory?
They should be in Documents\My Games\Oblivion.
Nehrim uses the same INI path as far as I know.

Nehim Expanded is a mod which adds some missed set items, new quests and corrects some bugs.
Unfortunately no one has found the time yet to translate it to english.

[DickHair]

I put the game saves in Nehrim earlier in the week when I was having mucho crashes. It was showing no saves on loading after I went into "Extras" in the launcher and selected 1. make new INI and 2. use Nehrim directory. That's where the OB INI ended up. I needed to conserve space on my boot drive and that was the only way to gain about a gig.
I need to upgrade and have been pricing SSD for my new build. When I get about $500 I can stop worrying about space issues.

NIE is an improved or enhanced interface over on the mods page. It required OBSE and so I installed it and couldn't get it to work right.
Played about 2 hrs this morning with no issues starting with OB.exe.
Wierd.

[Tealor Arantheal]

That's strange.
I can play Nehrim without any crashes for days...

Probably has something to do with my graphic settings too.
Since they're default and not too high the engine only has to concentrate on the heavy stuff which Nehrim provides.
The details of land masses are much more than in Oblivion.

So I do well with default (medium I guess) settings. The game still looks nice since of godrays, DoF and better textures.

I'm gratful that I've not such weird problems ^^

But I'm sorry that I cannot provide any sensible help

[DickHair]

S O.K., G

Maybe someone has had this occur to them and figured out a way to rectify it.
ITM I'll be content to finish "Hope at the End of the World" and go on to the next chapter.
If I do find a "cure", I'll post back.

I am really wanting to upgrade everything soon, and that just might be the ticket.
Plus, I am ready to play some higher graphics demanding games now, too.
Prost!

[greenlight]

If you have trouble loading and saving savegames, make sure you haven't installed Nehrim into a windows protected folder (programs for example). Also don't expect Nehrim to run much better on better hardware. The problem is the engine code that, not matter how fast your computer is, will always run slow in some occasions.

Have fun with the last story chapter, it's great

[DickHair]

...The problem is the engine code that, not matter how fast your computer is, will always run slow in some occasions.

You know, that's a good point. I am threading with a 3.4 Ghz P IV and tried to use the dual processor setting in optimization under launcher. It wouldn't take.

I have played Far Cry 2 on high settings with zero issues. However, it uses the Dunia Engine which is optimized for dual processors.

I may make an atttempt to set Nehrim on 0 affinity and see if that clears some things up.

[greenlight]

I think on maximum settings it will slow down even on a i7 3970k CPU. I believe that there are code parts where the engine waits for something (hard drive or just watiting for a fixed time), so any improvement in computing power will lead to close to zero performance improvement.

[DickHair]

Well, I managed to finish "Hope @the end..." by restarting my rig after ctd and no launch from the OB.exe
I just can't understand what resets the game with a restart that allows me to re-launch????

Have tried doing the in game mem purge via the Diary, to no avail.
May next try console "pcb" command and see what diff that makes.

... so any improvement in computing power will lead to close to zero performance improvement.

How does that apply to graphics cards? I was checking my fps at the L tomb where Arkt retired and standing still with no action I was only at 19.
Sucks fo sho.

[greenlight]

The fps will only be as high as the slowest component allowes them to. Unless you have a really old/weak graphics card (2008 and earlier), it shouldn't be the limiting factor for you.

Apparently the memory handling code is rather crappy in the Oblivion engine (one of the reasons why scripts often crash and cause problems). So I could imagine that after crashing, the memory isn't properly cleared and this somehow prevents the game from starting again. I'm not pretending to know exactly what's happening, but as we don't have acess to the engine code there isn't much we can do. Maybe, maybe a talented modder can patch the binary (Oblivion.exe) so that some of the code runs faster, similar to what someone did with skyrim. But honestly I doubt anyone would spend time on fixing a seven year old engine.