I implore you to shed light to the mystery of the Aged man.Who is he really?Is he a previous Prophet who managed to escape the cycle and tried to built a better humanity,only to fail and be condemed to watch cycle after cycle unfold,keeping his companion alive in a vat with the help of the Quranian magic that allowes time to pass slower in deep sleep?Or is he someone else entirely?
Who is the veiled woman?Is she a personification of probability/chance?
Will our companion remain unaffected by age if we flee to the Star City or do we have to resort to magic means to preserve them like the Aged man had to do with his companion?
Thank you in advance.
Who is the veiled woman?Is she a personification of probability/chance?
Will our companion remain unaffected by age if we flee to the Star City or do we have to resort to magic means to preserve them like the Aged man had to do with his companion?
Thank you in advance.
Seconded. While it is fun to discuss various theories regarding all this, it ultimately seems pointless as for every theory there is evidence for it and evidence against it. That is of course understandable, some contradictions are most likely intentional, and there is always the possibility that some contradictions are merely caused by mistakes, after all, errare humanum est.
So having some authoritative answers on some of the more pressing issues that simply can't be answered with the information provided by the game would be quite helpful.
So having some authoritative answers on some of the more pressing issues that simply can't be answered with the information provided by the game would be quite helpful.
i um... third? that i guess.
Hey everyone!
As Johannes already pointed out (I think), we'd rather not give a detailed explanation of who they are, since that sort of kills off all the fun in theorizing about them. As for the Veiled Woman, I've thought about adding a new mission in the DLC (If we should have the time and resources to do it) that sheds some more light on her origins. As for the Aged Man, I personally thought that there were enough clues throughout the game (particularly in the manor) that explain his role in the Cycle, but then again, I'm the guy who wrote it, so I'm obviously not a good judge. All I can (and want) to say is: Read the letter, and talk to the woman in the water. Then take a look at how the main quest unfolds. There was a user in the German forums who got fairly close to what I had in mind when I wrote him.
As Johannes already pointed out (I think), we'd rather not give a detailed explanation of who they are, since that sort of kills off all the fun in theorizing about them. As for the Veiled Woman, I've thought about adding a new mission in the DLC (If we should have the time and resources to do it) that sheds some more light on her origins. As for the Aged Man, I personally thought that there were enough clues throughout the game (particularly in the manor) that explain his role in the Cycle, but then again, I'm the guy who wrote it, so I'm obviously not a good judge. All I can (and want) to say is: Read the letter, and talk to the woman in the water. Then take a look at how the main quest unfolds. There was a user in the German forums who got fairly close to what I had in mind when I wrote him.
If only my eight years of studying German amounted to something more than knowing some grammar...
It is mainly the Veiled Woman that is a problem to even theorising about, since there's almost nothing about her, so if you truly do a mission about her, I'm sure all of us would be thrilled.
As for the Aged Man, maybe some clues will become more obvious in a second playthrough, when we actually know what's going on.
And lastly, thank you for writing such a masterpiece.
It is mainly the Veiled Woman that is a problem to even theorising about, since there's almost nothing about her, so if you truly do a mission about her, I'm sure all of us would be thrilled.
As for the Aged Man, maybe some clues will become more obvious in a second playthrough, when we actually know what's going on.
And lastly, thank you for writing such a masterpiece.
Nicolas Samuel wrote:Hey everyone!
As Johannes already pointed out (I think), we'd rather not give a detailed explanation of who they are, since that sort of kills off all the fun in theorizing about them. As for the Veiled Woman, I've thought about adding a new mission in the DLC (If we should have the time and resources to do it) that sheds some more light on her origins. As for the Aged Man, I personally thought that there were enough clues throughout the game (particularly in the manor) that explain his role in the Cycle, but then again, I'm the guy who wrote it, so I'm obviously not a good judge. All I can (and want) to say is: Read the letter, and talk to the woman in the water. Then take a look at how the main quest unfolds. There was a user in the German forums who got fairly close to what I had in mind when I wrote him.
Can we at least get a hint like if he or his friend have appeared or have been mentioned in Nehrim?
Sigh..Please,please,please implement that mission that will help us understand who she is!I would prefer it over the Golden Sickle missions!
BTW I second Makesin,thank you for writing this masterpiece,I have played many games this is the first one that made me genuine interested in the story and to actually shed tears.
Edit.OMG is the Aged Man the first shadow God?
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MyLongestJourney wrote:Edit.OMG is the Aged Man Tel'Imaltath the first shadow God?
Just how did you come to that conclusion?
Makesin wrote:Okay, I'll only say one word. One word only. What?MyLongestJourney wrote:Edit.OMG is the Aged Man Tel'Imaltath the first shadow God?
Just how did you come to that conclusion?
Woah,hold it, check this out:
http://nehrim.wikia.com/wiki/Appearance_and_Existence
In these twilight worlds, the creators of their elements sent corresponding creatures to guard and keep the threads of destiny and of the world.
As legend goes, the creatures of light were called Eliath and reveal themselves to the humans in the temple of the creators, whereas the creatures of darkness remain in hiding; hardly any human eye set sight upon them. It is believed they exist in the depths of the oceans. According to legend, these creatures formed the land when the world was young and then left it to take care of itself.
Neither the Eliath nor the creators seemed to intervene directly in the happenings in the world. It seems as if they are spectators of a theatre play they wrote themselves where the plot was not entirely determined, but the general outline of predestinations were fixed. They supplied the framework and then watched to see how the figures acted withing that framework.
The only entity that intervened in the worldly happenings were the Gods. However, the world is older than them, and they too can only move within the given framework.
As it seems, the Eliath had the power of changing the framework when errors came up in it, however they could not create a whole new one. The threads of prophecies build a pattern, a kind of material, and when there are holes in the material the Eliath seal them again.
An interesting book, it seems obvious that the High Ones are the dark powers mentioned in there, but I don't think the Veiled Woman would be an Eliath, at least if the book is fully correct.
From this following paragraph it just seems that the Eliath set the rules and the darkness (probably the High Ones) work within those rules to set the world in motion. But the Veiled Woman seems to be working against the High Ones and against the Cycle, which I think is still adhering to the rules. So why would she do that if she was an Eliath?
The primeval energy of darkness also unearthed such creatures, though. I could never find a name for them; historians seemed to refuse to give names to these beings. Perhaps their task is different to that of the Eliath. I am surrounded by speculation, but my theory is that they push the plot of the theatre play onwards, not tolerating idleness and making sure that something is always happening.
They sow seeds of hatred and disharmony into the heads of the people, set them up against each other and initiate wars so that the world remains forever changing but still moving within the given framework, for the Eliath watch over its adherence.
You make a valid point.Furthermore the High Ones are made of the collective consiousness of a civilization.So the first High One was created when the first civilization was destroyed in the first Cycle ever.They can not be the primordial dark creatures mentioned in the book...
MyLongestJourney wrote:You make a valid point.Furthermore the High Ones are made of the collective consiousness of a civilization.So the first High One was created when the first civilization was destroyed in the first Cycle ever.They can not be the primordial dark creatures mentioned in the book...
Makesin wrote:And that's also a valid point. Although I personally don't want to delve into the origins of the High Ones, I'd rather that remained a mystery forever.MyLongestJourney wrote:You make a valid point.Furthermore the High Ones are made of the collective consiousness of a civilization.So the first High One was created when the first civilization was destroyed in the first Cycle ever.They can not be the primordial dark creatures mentioned in the book...
Me,I want anwers!Maybe the High Ones were created by the original servants of the Dark.They sure share a lot of qualities.
I am okay with speculating about them. I merely don't want Enderal to become Mass Effect. The aftertaste after the ending of ME3 never really disappeared...
Given how the only compulsory part of the Cycle is the Beacon, then maybe the Cycle predates the High Ones. Humanity might have built the Beacon to, hm, to do something, it backfired and cleansed them, creating the first High One.
Given how the only compulsory part of the Cycle is the Beacon, then maybe the Cycle predates the High Ones. Humanity might have built the Beacon to, hm, to do something, it backfired and cleansed them, creating the first High One.
Makesin wrote:I am okay with speculating about them. I merely don't want Enderal to become Mass Effect. The aftertaste after the ending of ME3 never really disappeared...
Given how the only compulsory part of the Cycle is the Beacon, then maybe the Cycle predates the High Ones. Humanity might have built the Beacon to, hm, to do something, it backfired and cleansed them, creating the first High One.
and in my opinion the beacon is the magical equivalent of a nuclear weapon, and the chain-reaction was completely uncontrollable.
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or a poor attempt to tap into a massive energy channel, for some reason.
Very interesting idea,that the first malfunctioning Beacon created the first High One.I imagine it was during the course of an hybris or a malicious act since the High ones are the result of the human ego.
If SureAI wants to continue work on Enderal or some hypothetical next big mod, I am okay with no explanation provided. However, if they ever get to the point where they are sure that they won't continue, I think it would be better to explain some questions that were left unanswered. I, personally, don't like when a story ends with more questions than I had in the beginning.
DevilSauron wrote:If SureAI wants to continue work on Enderal or some hypothetical next big mod, I am okay with no explanation provided. However, if they ever get to the point where they are sure that they won't continue, I think it would be better to explain some questions that were left unanswered. I, personally, don't like when a story ends with more questions than I had in the beginning.
I myself liked the inconclusive story, because any shoehorned canon ending just wouldn't fit with the deeply psychological theme of the story. In Ending A, can the humanity truly destroy the High Ones? You have to answer that question on your own, based on how much you believe in humanity. The devs can't answer that for you. And in Ending B, do you believe that the Prophet, as you formed that character and their morals, can guide the new humanity towards altruism? Again, I think only you can answer that question, not the devs.
As for the Veiled Woman, read what Nicolas Samuel posted here on the first page, he mentions a possible quest about her in the possible Story DLC.
As for the Veiled Woman, read what Nicolas Samuel posted here on the first page, he mentions a possible quest about her in the possible Story DLC.
I would just like to chip in here, if I may, and point out a few things:
I find no certain indication the High Ones were created by the Cleansing, only that "this is how they reproduce".
What I mean is that a High One obtains its artificial consciousness by absorbing the collective memories of an entire civilization, by devouring the souls of the beings that lived then.
I do not know if many have noticed, but by the table, to the right, inside the dreamworld's Daddy's home, there's this painting by Francisco Goya:
http://www.19thcenturyart-facos.com/art ... s-children
This is, as the title indicates, Saturn devouring the "meat and blood" of everything he "created" (his children).
Do note that there are implications to this:
If Saturn needs to "produce" children and then eat them (when their "fat" and "delicious"), that means that he does not create what he actually feeds upon. Saturn creates the body and animates it with an animalistic soul, a divided consciousness (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_and_animus), but what Saturn actually feeds upon is on what he can't create: the uncreated spirit, that attaches itself to the souls.
Anyway, going back to the High Ones parallel, they can already exist prior to any Cleansing and merely use the Cleansing to reproduce by the consumption of the pure essence of other beings, fooled into participating in this process - this is implied by the presence of Goya's painting, especially in that setting, where Daddy, for better or worse, is trying to dissuade the Prophet from partaking any more in the actions that will culminate in another Cleansing (or Feeding).
The High Ones, as it is often hinted at during the game, are an empty shell, a void container with no life of their own. It is the essence of the beings consumed during the cleansing that gives them an appearance of "own existence", that is, an appearance of actual Life. In truth, the High Ones are complete parasites, under the guise of divinity (given by the access to the collective genius of a consumed civilization).
I find no certain indication the High Ones were created by the Cleansing, only that "this is how they reproduce".
What I mean is that a High One obtains its artificial consciousness by absorbing the collective memories of an entire civilization, by devouring the souls of the beings that lived then.
I do not know if many have noticed, but by the table, to the right, inside the dreamworld's Daddy's home, there's this painting by Francisco Goya:
http://www.19thcenturyart-facos.com/art ... s-children
This is, as the title indicates, Saturn devouring the "meat and blood" of everything he "created" (his children).
Do note that there are implications to this:
If Saturn needs to "produce" children and then eat them (when their "fat" and "delicious"), that means that he does not create what he actually feeds upon. Saturn creates the body and animates it with an animalistic soul, a divided consciousness (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_and_animus), but what Saturn actually feeds upon is on what he can't create: the uncreated spirit, that attaches itself to the souls.
Anyway, going back to the High Ones parallel, they can already exist prior to any Cleansing and merely use the Cleansing to reproduce by the consumption of the pure essence of other beings, fooled into participating in this process - this is implied by the presence of Goya's painting, especially in that setting, where Daddy, for better or worse, is trying to dissuade the Prophet from partaking any more in the actions that will culminate in another Cleansing (or Feeding).
The High Ones, as it is often hinted at during the game, are an empty shell, a void container with no life of their own. It is the essence of the beings consumed during the cleansing that gives them an appearance of "own existence", that is, an appearance of actual Life. In truth, the High Ones are complete parasites, under the guise of divinity (given by the access to the collective genius of a consumed civilization).
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