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[Garnet]

The Bad guys goes to Hostile People > People. Must remove Humans from Creatures, but philosophically, maybe they are the same kind.

[kassandra]

HOLY MOTHER!
I don't want to see tables for some time, really!
(Btw: Final version of the page: http://nehrim.wikia.com/wiki/Fortress_of_Aman )
Guys, it's impossible to focus on everything, the Wikia has grown HUGE. Too huge for one or two persons to contol it:p Hours of thinking with Garnet and Theo how to change Templates for place. MY GOD. And the pain in creating these tables:P They seem buggy or I don't know how to create them, seriously:p You try to delete one column and the whole table ruins.
And I TRIED to apply at least some of the new layout to places... JESUS CHRIST people really contirbute a lot and we do have quite a lot of places done (maybe not too detailed, but at least photos and basic info).


I just can't think on other things but just to divide us into Wikia sections. And you focus mainly on these sections and try to describe them with as much detail as impossible:p One well done section is better then alot of disorganised info everywhere.

Garnet -->Armor/Weapons
Me-->Main Quest


Gunner and Hawk just choose what you like doing, I'm not going to impose anything:p
And we really need more poeple to help out. And sometimes with tedious, monotonous work (like giving unified layout to Places or Creatures, they are a bit disorgnised as they are eidted by a lot of people). I don't care we can have even 20 adimins, but when Wikia is ready we won't need new admins. I would like to see Theo among admins, he learns fast and he has really nice ideas (he proposed the Table for Places). But it's just impossible to organize everything with 3-4 people. I just can't imagine it;p

PS. JUst noticed I suddenly became very religious in this post;p

[TheHawk]

Hi.

@kassandra - relax.

(Btw: Final version of the page: http://nehrim.wikia.com/wiki/Fortress_of_Aman )

looks excellent.

You've put a lot into this - be proud. Your right, do not even try to focus on everything. As I think I might have indicated, I will carry on spell checking, trying to improve links and take a look at creatures section (will try to do my own spreadsheet first in open office or windows).

What with Garnet, Theo and TheGunnerBoat doing so much its taking serious shape.

......And bless you my children..........

Edit::: p.s. over the next week or two I'll try and find some decent tables. Thats right I am lazy. Find a table and borrow its source code.

[Garnet]

Holy Ashes.
Things get serious. Even UESP has no detailed pages.
So I'm condemned to Armament, can I do some place, person, please
And Kassandra, take a deep breath, see a episode of Dr. House...
And today is Saturday

EDiT: Fixed links for hostile people.

[kassandra]

I didn't mean to sound serious, it was some time since I last checked Places:p And I was a bit surprised how huge it has grown :]

As for quests, you Hawk checked every quest, so what do you think about the organization of the main quest?
I checked DA wiki and they have something like this:
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Broken_Circle

The table of contents is also not 'elegant' but everything is easy to find. I guess I will review the quest pages for similar tabes.
Infobox - nice, but Nehrim is far more complicated and I think slideshows are necessary to show some things to players.
But I like how they put photos after each heading. Interesitng.



I also checked how they dealt with Creatures: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Hurlock
Hmm so an Infobox on the rigt side (top) and at the bottom - A Gallery.


And Garnet , susure, feel free to edit other pages as well. I would go crazy if I only looked at quest page :]


I guess Hawk you could also figure out infoboxes. If we want them. If we do, the faster the better

[TheGunnerBoat]

Yesterday I took a small break, and got playing Oblivion again (I've been keeping savegames apart), today or tonight I'll start again losing my sanity.

[TheHawk]

Hi.

Be as serious as you like. I always am

organization of the main quest?

Compared to the link you gave, I prefer ours. Easier to follow and easier to read. The website link you gave, yes it's graphically "pretty", but I found it difficult to see the information I would want. i.e too many colours, too much going on.

Slideshows I prefer for the places where it is important to show timeline or story. Photo galleries for static i.e armour, weapons, people etc.

Going to see how easy to create our own "info box" or "borrow one".

On table creation. There are other ways to create tables.........I am not great with Microsoft office (do not have it anyway), but in Open Office you can create a table, convert to HTML and copy source to wiki. Voila, table created without having to be logged in. EDIT::: If you want to see how it works (do not laugh), two tables, less than 2 minutes work. If you are good with office/tables etc (I am not) - well anything is possible http://nehrim.wikia.com/wiki/CretTemp

[kassandra]

Wow Hawk the table looks just GREAT! And I guess it looks better than any infobox.
Just a suggestion for one more column- Experience Points

It iwll bejust enough to apply later all these tables to all creatures, and maye someday, someone will add info ! Photo size you can put in Notes recommended photo size to fit the table.
Just checkd if Tables are user-friendlyto edit... GREAT JOB, every commoner will be able to add info! It oesn't switch to Source Mode or whatever

For Hostile People the same table but without Drops (they drop too many items).

[TheHawk]

Hi.

@ kassandra - which table? the one that just seemed to disappear or the spreadsheet type on thats there now.....

Exp points - where to get info? Some /most seem to come from scripts.

[TheHawk]

Hi.

The idea behind the spreadsheet type one (would need help, because i've tried adding javascript etc and cannot get it to work), is to have all info, but also when click on name have a pop-up with picture/description/notes any quest stuff.

[kassandra]

@Hawk
I can see only two tables an d the second is this long brownish table with names of various creatures. Very informative and elegant IMO.
Exeperience points- no idea, but saw today anonymous contributor adding Exp Points and Attack Damage to 2 creatures, sorry, don't remember which ones. But I was also surprised that he had such info:P


EDIT: It's high time we also changed the favicon, I guess. I tried to make on it shouldbe 16x16 don't know why it saves as 15x16. But the whole procedure seems a bti more complicated. http://nehrim.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Favicon
And here's the one I made, feel free to change it or prepare a new one

As I understand it needs to be chaned into .ico file using some kind of converter and placed to the website directory (wherever it is)

[TheHawk]

Hi.

Elegant......... Why thank you mam.

If anyone else care look and give opinions on elegant one, as it stands now. Have added photo/desc/exp gained to it. Only to first animal at moment.
Here http://nehrim.wikia.com/wiki/CretTemp

Am not rushing it, have left query about CSEditor "quirks" in another thread.
Will carry on spell checking soon, but over next few days must take some interviews at unemployment office (see if they will help, update cv (now I've found it) and start applying for work.), might also soon be looking for new accomadation (who knows?) .

If get chance and only if get chance will take a look at ico thing.

[Casper]

@hawk
very not bad . layout is quite pleasing, and easy to follow. i like.

[TheHawk]

Hi

@Casper - thank you. aprreciate you remarks.

Just had response from Hoxyd - En patch should be out in a few days time.

EDIT:::: Is anyone else having this experience with wiki. Went to wiki and thought home page looked better, logo a little squarer and less "white space" between where it says Nehrim Wiki and the start of the info. Then it changed. Logged out, looked again looked different again. !!!!!!! Strange also because I was going to comment on how much "white space" there is at the top of some pages (guess it will have to wait till css expert is back). Plus also wandering if/when css expert returns (unless someone else knows), if possible to put intro on home page into one of those boxes where only the first sentence or so is shown and you click more to open it. Just thinking might be better for visitors to navigate/ see info quicker.

[kassandra]

Yep, see the same from time to time, but we won't be able to do anything unless we have someone who knows how to deal with CSS.

Btw, noticed yesterday that someone linked us here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehrim
So, it seems our Wikia will be 'unofficially official' .
Hope more people will be motivated to contribute;p

And good luck with finding a job Hawk!

BTW Installed Google Chrome instead of Firefox.. now I have no lags on Wikia, no errors...And it corrects my misspelling mistakes and everything seems so quick. I guess something must have been wrong with my Firefox.


EDIT: Just got one idea how to improve Main Quest.
Some of you will probably be playing the game again when the new patch is out.
It would be great if someone would volunteer to prepare detailed MAPS for each quest. With all important people/places marked on the map. Similar to the one here (but here only stones/nests)[used GIMP to edit photos] : http://nehrim.wikia.com/wiki/Work_in_the_Mine

We would add another heading to quests: Maps <-- and all maps could be there.
It's just a suggestion, probably the descriptions and slideshows are enough, but it would make Wikia more attractive, I guess.

[TheHawk]

Hi.

@kassandra -

And it corrects my misspelling mistakes

Most spelling mistakes I have found, have been typo's. Honestly, do not rely on spell checkers too much. Stopped using them, not because I can spell (I am not a good speller), but because if its UK dictionary it picks up all USA spellings as incorrect and vice-versa. They highlight a lot of " 's " and " s' " faults (I always get confused with them). They highlight words they believe should be hyphenated. So in the end page is a mess of colour and it is easy to miss a typo i.e is instead of it , these alter the entire context of a paragraph. But am glad you have solved lag, (unfortunately) solved, I think, mines as well. Router a bit iffy and pc drivers useless. Have now connected a laptop to monitor to use, much quicker, but having to transfer all wiki work etc across.

Darn!!! wkat a long post.

Might start playing from start soon, but, do not think will have time to do maps as well as spell check and sort out creatures table.
Over creatures table, start again over weekend. Have 2 ideas, the one is already up there on CretTemp, the other looks similar but no screenshot,notes or quest info boxes, instead have managed to insert some java code, so when click on name it brings a pop up page up with screenshot,notes,quest. Why this way? Quicker loading times, less mess. Try and sort and put demo up soon.

[TheGunnerBoat]

Hey people the new english patch is out finally.
http://dl2.sureai.net/download/update/n ... 1.0_EN.exe

[Garnet]

One dumb question:
With the new Patch installed, can continue the game from the old save or must start a new game,
sorry I'm new in Nehrim

[Casper]

One dumb question:
With the new Patch installed, can continue the game from the old save or must start a new game,
sorry I'm new in Nehrim

you should be able to use an old save, i didn't have any trouble

[koschwarz]

any hint where this new zerobilon dimension is?