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Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by CallingCtulhu
Posted: 16.10.2010 09:17
So yeah, just finished my first playthrough of Nehrim. Overall, the mod was great. It had that very lively atmosphere that Oblivion seriously lacked, and was totally worth my time. The Final Boss was INSANE, and I died a lot, not from her blade, but because she kept spamming that confounded explosion spell which blasted me into the spikes. Killing someone has never been so satisfactory.
There was one thing I noticed, though, and that was the lack of any real closure with Kim. He just kind of ran out on me when I was about to take on the Light-Born. Next time I hear of him, I'm at Fate'e Edge, and he's lying dead on the floor with the boss gloating and basically giving me a cosmic raspberry.
Now, I did enjoy the Main Quest, which I thought was reasonably well written (Though I thought the Ostian section felt a bit rushed, since we never got to know much about the villains, other then 'They worship the Creator. They must DIE.'), and overall, MUCH better then Oblivion's MQ. But Kim's story just felt kind of unfulfilling. I mean, we got closure with Narazul, and with Arkt, but not with the character we spent most of the time with. Would it be too much to ask for, I dunno, a miniquest related to Kim for some manner of satisfaction?
,Thanks.
P.S: What ever happened to Narazul's father, anyway? He just kinda popped up in a temple, summoned a bunch of skeletons, then disappeared. I might have missed something, though.
There was one thing I noticed, though, and that was the lack of any real closure with Kim. He just kind of ran out on me when I was about to take on the Light-Born. Next time I hear of him, I'm at Fate'e Edge, and he's lying dead on the floor with the boss gloating and basically giving me a cosmic raspberry.
Now, I did enjoy the Main Quest, which I thought was reasonably well written (Though I thought the Ostian section felt a bit rushed, since we never got to know much about the villains, other then 'They worship the Creator. They must DIE.'), and overall, MUCH better then Oblivion's MQ. But Kim's story just felt kind of unfulfilling. I mean, we got closure with Narazul, and with Arkt, but not with the character we spent most of the time with. Would it be too much to ask for, I dunno, a miniquest related to Kim for some manner of satisfaction?
,Thanks.
P.S: What ever happened to Narazul's father, anyway? He just kinda popped up in a temple, summoned a bunch of skeletons, then disappeared. I might have missed something, though.
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Penn
Posted: 16.10.2010 13:46
We have 2 God-Slayer swords, so we should be able to trap 2 souls in it, go to the afterlife again -by dying, give one of the swords to kim, and let her revive with you. Ur a Shadow God, you should be able to do some miraculous stuff 
I agree on ur point of view with Kim. She runs off after u start your mission with Arantheal to kill the shadow Gods, and is dead when u meet Fate. A vision of some kind, where you see Fate capturing Kim and taking her with her, so you know your gonna meet Fate AND Kim -dead or alive-, should have made the storyline slightly better -but than again, I am not sure about visions, who would have given you that vision? No light-born alive, and Fate is not the person to warn you. Arkt maybe, but Fate's magical powers are far greater, so it wouldn't fit in the world.
I really liked the game, I liked Ostian as well, they way to Ostian was a disaster though, but thats another story:p. The game in general is great, and i enjoyed it far more than Oblivion -which is one of the best games i played.
Arantheal's father has died/will die because he has no light-born to protect him or to lengthen his age (a mortal living for over a thousand years, there has to be light-born influence). I didnt really miss him in the later storyline. I just dont expect him to pop up some day and say hello :p
I agree on ur point of view with Kim. She runs off after u start your mission with Arantheal to kill the shadow Gods, and is dead when u meet Fate. A vision of some kind, where you see Fate capturing Kim and taking her with her, so you know your gonna meet Fate AND Kim -dead or alive-, should have made the storyline slightly better -but than again, I am not sure about visions, who would have given you that vision? No light-born alive, and Fate is not the person to warn you. Arkt maybe, but Fate's magical powers are far greater, so it wouldn't fit in the world.
I really liked the game, I liked Ostian as well, they way to Ostian was a disaster though, but thats another story:p. The game in general is great, and i enjoyed it far more than Oblivion -which is one of the best games i played.
Arantheal's father has died/will die because he has no light-born to protect him or to lengthen his age (a mortal living for over a thousand years, there has to be light-born influence). I didnt really miss him in the later storyline. I just dont expect him to pop up some day and say hello :p
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Lira
Posted: 17.10.2010 14:12
I really enjoyed playing this game. Couldn't stop playing until finishing the main quest, it's just amazing. The places the story.. everything! But now I fee kinda of empty, I wish there was a way to bring Kim back. I thought in the end i could find Kim again and have a friend to have more adventures. Please in the future consider to do some quest or something related to Kim. I guess that is something many people want.
Other than that this game is really cool, i had alot of fun. I liked specially of the dwarven mines, remind me alot of lord of the rings and that was great, I almost expected to find a Balrog in there eheh
Anyway thanks for all your hard work. The game is perfect to me, just one thing I don't like, Kim died
Other than that this game is really cool, i had alot of fun. I liked specially of the dwarven mines, remind me alot of lord of the rings and that was great, I almost expected to find a Balrog in there eheh
Anyway thanks for all your hard work. The game is perfect to me, just one thing I don't like, Kim died
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Roland Deschain
Posted: 18.10.2010 10:21
There is a big mod in work in the german part of the forum that involves among other things a quest to bring kim back. I have no idea if and when its going to be finished, but i'm sure it will be translated once its out.
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Lira
Posted: 18.10.2010 19:28
That sounds great 
I really hope it will be translated to english and that it is ready soon!
I really hope it will be translated to english and that it is ready soon!
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Lucius_Balthar
Posted: 19.10.2010 15:20
Yeah i hope that we are able to release the first beta soon 
Because it´s nearly an addon with a whole new HQ, New Planets, NPC´s etc. it´s gonna take a while...
First Things to do are the basic (Planets, Dungeons and so on), Second the Quests/NPC´s and at last New Music/Sound and Text^^
Of Course we will translate it into english when we´ve completed about 90% of SOLARIS
The only one thing is the speaking-part concerning the dialogues, that´s really much work
But we keep going straight for it, so let´s hope that we can accelerate the modding-process
greetings, L.B
Because it´s nearly an addon with a whole new HQ, New Planets, NPC´s etc. it´s gonna take a while...
First Things to do are the basic (Planets, Dungeons and so on), Second the Quests/NPC´s and at last New Music/Sound and Text^^
Of Course we will translate it into english when we´ve completed about 90% of SOLARIS
The only one thing is the speaking-part concerning the dialogues, that´s really much work
But we keep going straight for it, so let´s hope that we can accelerate the modding-process
greetings, L.B
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by CallingCtulhu
Posted: 19.10.2010 16:43
Aaaand Narazul's father? >_>
Pardon me for bringing this up again, but he just seemed like he would have been an important character in the long run.
Pardon me for bringing this up again, but he just seemed like he would have been an important character in the long run.
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Lucius_Balthar
Posted: 20.10.2010 16:26
CallingCtulhu wrote:Aaaand Narazul's father? >_>
Pardon me for bringing this up again, but he just seemed like he would have been an important character in the long run.
Maybe he will come back in a new story which is brought by the Nehrim Team in one of the next Updates
Anyway, we don´t have planned to add him in the Story of our Mod....maybe he´s rather dead and in the same
Heaven/Dimension like his son Naratzul^^
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Hjödir
Posted: 11.11.2010 04:12
Penn wrote:We have 2 God-Slayer swords, so we should be able to trap 2 souls in it, go to the afterlife again -by dying, give one of the swords to kim, and let her revive with you. Ur a Shadow God, you should be able to do some miraculous stuff
I agree on ur point of view with Kim. She runs off after u start your mission with Arantheal to kill the shadow Gods, and is dead when u meet Fate. A vision of some kind, where you see Fate capturing Kim and taking her with her, so you know your gonna meet Fate AND Kim -dead or alive-, should have made the storyline slightly better -but than again, I am not sure about visions, who would have given you that vision? No light-born alive, and Fate is not the person to warn you. Arkt maybe, but Fate's magical powers are far greater, so it wouldn't fit in the world.
You are not a shadow god anymore since you destroyed the prophecy by throwing it into the magic pool of the world, a continuum without space or time.
Second thing:
You didn't run for killing shadow gods but light borned.
Third thing:
Who tells you the servant of fate is stronger than a shadow god? Thing why shadow gods lost battles is: They were too self obsessed, as you see two gods easily can kill the servant.
But what confused me the most: You destroyed the prophecy as mentioned above, even though the servant wants to kill you. But if there is no shadow god anymore there is no reason why she would kill you or even kill Kim.
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by einnashe
Posted: 11.11.2010 05:46
Hjödir wrote:But what confused me the most: You destroyed the prophecy as mentioned above, even though the servant wants to kill you. But if there is no shadow god anymore there is no reason why she would kill you or even kill Kim.
Perhaps you haven't escaped fate after all.
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Hjödir
Posted: 11.11.2010 19:51
einnashe wrote:I wonder about that. The prophecy says that the Shadow God will free mankind, but does destroying it not also free mankind from the cycle of light and shadow, thereby fulfilling itself?Hjödir wrote:But what confused me the most: You destroyed the prophecy as mentioned above, even though the servant wants to kill you. But if there is no shadow god anymore there is no reason why she would kill you or even kill Kim.
Perhaps you haven't escaped fate after all.
Fate: Lightborned rule mankind for over thousands of years -> shadow god will rise and release mankind from lightborned -> cycle starts from begin and continues going on forever; this is what prophecy told us
And you are right, destroying it freed mankind, because the only sense of existance for the fates servant was destructing everything he loved and then release shadow gods from this kind a hell. So prophecy could be a synonym for fate.
But by giving up your powers there was no further sense of existance for the fate's servant, eventhough she killed your most beloved one.
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Mitro
Posted: 11.11.2010 19:57
As I remind the end of Nehrim, Kim tried to help you and got killed for this.
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Hjödir
Posted: 11.11.2010 20:28
Mitro wrote:As I remind the end of Nehrim, Kim tried to help you and got killed for this.
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by TheHawk
Posted: 11.11.2010 21:15
Hi.
Just a quick thought.
Fate is the end, the finality of the roads (destiny) we walk. Without fate we have no destiny. Without a destiny we have no meaning.
Fate only followed her destiny, as we all do willingly. Another fate would appear as everything has a destiny.
Just a quick thought.
Fate is the end, the finality of the roads (destiny) we walk. Without fate we have no destiny. Without a destiny we have no meaning.
Fate only followed her destiny, as we all do willingly. Another fate would appear as everything has a destiny.
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Hjödir
Posted: 12.11.2010 18:40
TheHawk wrote:Hi.
Just a quick thought.
Fate is the end, the finality of the roads (destiny) we walk. Without fate we have no destiny. Without a destiny we have no meaning.
Fate only followed her destiny, as we all do willingly. Another fate would appear as everything has a destiny.
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by TheHawk
Posted: 12.11.2010 19:03
Question is: Is fate something fixed that will happen or is it open and depending on things that happened before? And the answer is: Since the prophecy is destructed fate is depending on people's decisions.
Another question. Was it the lightborn / shadow gods who created fate? If so, they only being a higher form of man have left it open for another fate to be created, or is there more than one fate?
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Hjödir
Posted: 13.11.2010 01:17
TheHawk wrote:(My opinion of course) Fate has no shape, it is not predetermined. It is the finality (for everybody and anything) that waits at the end of there destiny. Is our destiny shaped? we all make choices. Within the game, it was my destiny to destroy the prophecy/fate. So do I have a fate left? It was the prophecies/fates destiny for me to destroy them. They met there fate. So yes, Fate depends on destiny. Destiny must have a fate.Question is: Is fate something fixed that will happen or is it open and depending on things that happened before? And the answer is: Since the prophecy is destructed fate is depending on people's decisions.
Another question. Was it the lightborn / shadow gods who created fate? If so, they only being a higher form of man have left it open for another fate to be created, or is there more than one fate?
Besides the fact we didn't really have a choice to destroy or not destroy the prophecy (we were ment to do it by the devs of the game) fate seems to be just a kind of snapshot in time. So yes we do have another fate left -> our fate surely is to die when time has gone or something happened, can't live forever. It's human nature to destroy the world we live in, as we see regarding what happens to our planet earth.
A quote of yahoo!answers:
Destiny versus fate
Although the words are used interchangeably in many cases, fate and destiny can be distinguished. Modern usage defines fate as a power or agency that predetermines and orders the course of events.
It weren't either the lighborn or the shadow gods who created fate because main problem I see here is: fate is something very personal, everybody has an own fate. It was just our fate to become a shadow god and then destroy the prophecy. So to answer your question: lightborn and shadow gods have just been parts of a game that repeated on and on for thousands of years and came to an end by the players interactions and decisions.
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by TheHawk
Posted: 13.11.2010 03:22
Hi.
(That was strange. Typed a load of stuff out and the page dissappeared !!!!!)
Used as an allegory, same as, "an idea taking shape" or "the power to shape our lives".
Certain words also conjure up shapes in my head., such as "open" or "fixed", and then again not everything has a corpse and thinking laterally even an idea can have a shape. As in an idea is made up of brainwaves etc. I digress.
In this game, your right we had no choice. They did give Fate a shape though, they turned it into an entity. They also made it predeterminable (as in the quote you used) and so leant more towards thinking of fate as belonging to a devinity (thus my thoughts about lightborn/shadow gods), which again fitted in with the story. I on the other hand being atheist do not believe in predetermination or devinity.
I must also say, i do not believe
My opinion, it is mans stupidity,lack of knowledge and being easily manipulated by greedy/influential individuals and corporations( religions included in there. Not all but.....) who will push there own agenda at any cost.
(That was strange. Typed a load of stuff out and the page dissappeared !!!!!)
What exactly do you mean with: Fate has no shape? Fate is nothing natural, not something with a corpse?
Certain words also conjure up shapes in my head., such as "open" or "fixed", and then again not everything has a corpse and thinking laterally even an idea can have a shape. As in an idea is made up of brainwaves etc. I digress.
In this game, your right we had no choice. They did give Fate a shape though, they turned it into an entity. They also made it predeterminable (as in the quote you used) and so leant more towards thinking of fate as belonging to a devinity (thus my thoughts about lightborn/shadow gods), which again fitted in with the story. I on the other hand being atheist do not believe in predetermination or devinity.
I must also say, i do not believe
It's human nature to destroy the world we live in,
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by Hjödir
Posted: 13.11.2010 03:54
Besides I don't think this is the right place to have such a kind of conversation, isn't it human's nature to long for more after we have reached first goals? Spirit, hm... what to say, I think it's important to have it, but not only some kind of spirit, but the right one. Don't confound self-appointed heroes but read what the bible tells. The worst caste is, if people get annoyed by taking priests as a standard, don't forget those all are humans too, so they are full of mistakes but read and deal with what God really wants from you.
Just had to write those lines because I conceive that you have made bad experiences by focussing humans of whom you thought how great the words they tell are but how fucked up their behavior is, because if you are really an atheist you need much more faith than someone who believes in Jesus Christ. Look at the world how everything works like a clockwork, personally I believe there must be some instructor behind everything. Coincidence seems to be some weak apologize to me.
Understanding allegories right is what I have problems with because I am not a native speeking english person but I understand what you mean.
Mh lightborn and shadow gods are just two factions in a game (like chess) but maybe there is something behind those "gods". As it is told in a book (pity I can't remember the name of it) neither lightborn nor shadow gods have formed the world we live in.
PS: Maybe we can discourse this per PM cause it already blows up the topic and even the game content.
Just had to write those lines because I conceive that you have made bad experiences by focussing humans of whom you thought how great the words they tell are but how fucked up their behavior is, because if you are really an atheist you need much more faith than someone who believes in Jesus Christ. Look at the world how everything works like a clockwork, personally I believe there must be some instructor behind everything. Coincidence seems to be some weak apologize to me.
Understanding allegories right is what I have problems with because I am not a native speeking english person
but I understand what you mean. Mh lightborn and shadow gods are just two factions in a game (like chess) but maybe there is something behind those "gods". As it is told in a book (pity I can't remember the name of it) neither lightborn nor shadow gods have formed the world we live in.
PS: Maybe we can discourse this per PM
cause it already blows up the topic and even the game content.
Re: Closure with Kim *ENDING MAJOR SPOILORS* - by TheHawk
Posted: 13.11.2010 15:30
Hi
Yor right. Just that the storyline, fate/ divinity/ religion etc is always something that has fascinated me/ made me think.
I have a lot of faith and beliefs. Even though I am not, you must remember that one of the largest religions is basically atheist - think Bhuddism or Jainism.
Besides I don't think this is the right place to have such a kind of conversation
because if you are really an atheist you need much more faith than someone who believes in Jesus Christ
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