SureAI

Eolath wrote:

I second the above statement - thanks a load SureAI, this game is WAY better then Oblivion ever will be. (Even with 100+ mods installed, it'll never be better then Nehrim)

The only thing I was rather sad about is the fact that EVERYONE that plays any significant role in the story will eventually die (Even the guy at the start, at the mines, will be killed by trolls later on) - with the exception of the Northrealm king, (And Arkt ofcourse, he's a great guy) .

Every mage, every friend, every ally you develop during the story line gets killed off later.

JoKeR wrote:

Eolath wrote:

I second the above statement - thanks a load SureAI, this game is WAY better then Oblivion ever will be. (Even with 100+ mods installed, it'll never be better then Nehrim)

The only thing I was rather sad about is the fact that EVERYONE that plays any significant role in the story will eventually die (Even the guy at the start, at the mines, will be killed by trolls later on) - with the exception of the Northrealm king, (And Arkt ofcourse, he's a great guy) .

Every mage, every friend, every ally you develop during the story line gets killed off later.

Well technically Arantheal is alive he has been captured in the soul flayer. I thought Kim was kind of picked off unfairly... Kind of a rushed/cliche end, I mean I loved Nehrim and I don't fault the story at all but I would of preferred a somewhat more elaborate end for Kim, seems like he deserved a little more gusto for his death.

I also still want to know what the purpose of Callisto blowing their cover in Ostian was ? I never understood that. Kim was right about that, unless I'm missing something blatant. Seemed totally out of left field.

Eolath wrote:

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Yep. I kind of agree there, with the Kim part that is, they should have given her/him a little more game time, especially near the end. Kim runs away during the start of chapter 5 or 6, and then we suddenly find out that he/she's kidnapped and killed.

Why? How? Just for the f@ck of it?

The ending is great, but after Ankt says he's retiring it makes you feel a little hollow that everyone's basically gone. Worse, there's some Bodenbruck pretender on the throne now.

PS: What ending choice did you pick? Did you kill the last Light Borne, or did you allow him to merge himself into you?

PPS: Just a little addition to the ending part, I do think the ending as a whole is a little rushed. Along with killing Kim off, they never unlocked the Sanctum again. It's kind of bothering me, since the mage that was channeling this spell is very much dead - shouldn't the Shadow God be able to counter the magic created by some lowly chancellor? Same counts for the castle that you obtain a little earlier, it feels a little empty aswell - no guards, and the rubble outside of it isn't cleaned up yet.

JoKeR wrote:

Eolath wrote:

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Yep. I kind of agree there, with the Kim part that is, they should have given her/him a little more game time, especially near the end. Kim runs away during the start of chapter 5 or 6, and then we suddenly find out that he/she's kidnapped and killed.

Why? How? Just for the f@ck of it?

The ending is great, but after Ankt says he's retiring it makes you feel a little hollow that everyone's basically gone. Worse, there's some Bodenbruck pretender on the throne now.

PS: What ending choice did you pick? Did you kill the last Light Borne, or did you allow him to merge himself into you?

PPS: Just a little addition to the ending part, I do think the ending as a whole is a little rushed. Along with killing Kim off, they never unlocked the Sanctum again. It's kind of bothering me, since the mage that was channeling this spell is very much dead - shouldn't the Shadow God be able to counter the magic created by some lowly chancellor? Same counts for the castle that you obtain a little earlier, it feels a little empty aswell - no guards, and the rubble outside of it isn't cleaned up yet.

That's what I found rather odd, how did Kim end up at the heart of the world as well? Arantheal himself says you need light-born powers to take the portals which lead to the heart of the world, and by way of that us the hero were allowed to enter because we held the soul flayer and Arantheal with it... So it's definitely disjointed in that aspect as well. As for why we can't overcome some things, it's explained if I read it correctly that by destroying the predisposition and fate we effectively destroyed any kind of god status including shadow god. With fate no longer holding anyone to any kind of role I suppose everyone can be as powerful or weak as they want to be, as everyone is on an equal playing field at the end by very nature of the story. Which is why the end doesn't feel so bad, you are merely a mortal at the end and your fate is your own to do with as you please you aren't inherently more powerful than anyone else. It's kind of a catch-22, by completing the story you only just come to square 1 because by killing fate you reset everything in the image of Nehrim being ruled by its people, meaning you yourself are only a person in Nehrim as well.

Eolath wrote:

Every mage, every friend, every ally you develop during the story line gets killed off later.

I also still want to know what the purpose of Callisto blowing their cover in Ostian was ? I never understood that. Kim was right about that, unless I'm missing something blatant. Seemed totally out of left field.

Lady Dracon wrote:

I personally killed Tyr. I kind of hate how it counted as a murder (I was playing a good character at the time), but it felt justified. Even if he forfeits his Lightborn powers, he'll still be alive, and I would imagine he would still have some power as a mage plus "God-like" status amoungst the people. Based on what he said about always needing a leader and how the Lightborn actually gave the people guidance, I felt it was too risky to keep him alive. Bittersweet as the comment might be, my character didn't know enough about him to be reassured that he wouldn't use his former "Lightborn/God" status as a means to overthrow/rule the people.

Helol wrote:

I dissagree completely . I let him live. and took half the power. People need a higher spirit to believe is watching over them and keeping them secure. Tyr was that . and in my honest opinion did not deserve to be killed.

Think about it. if the wierdo on the erothin throne goes like barateon did. then who would be there to help you. Arkt- Hes retired. Narazul-Dead. Yourself- you could give it a great fighting chance . but man always prevails . to Tyr would be there to side with you since you kept him alive.

Dont think that this new person on the throne will be a good one.. he looks shifty and posh to me.

then again. we always have the Northrealm king .. he will always be with us. even if his kingdom has been smashed up in a war .

what about the dwarves.. oh.. wait.. yeah they took of with fat erwin.. didnt even send me a postcard.. sheesh!

anyone else i missed?

TheHawk wrote:

Enjoyed the game so much. Playing it again
It is atmospheric. It has a beautifully sculpted world, from the cities to the landscapes. Interesting and enjoyable sidequests.
Only gripe I have is the inclusion of some oblivion monsters.I found Sureai's own i.e spiders, bone flayers more fitting to the game.
The game, inbetween the fantasy and role playing made me think on many of the points and issues allready voiced.
Did not trust a single character throughout (apart from Kim, who relly annoyed me at times), they all had there own agenda.
Kill Tyr or let him live? God or no God?
Without something to believe in (no god), the masses create there own. Sex, drugs, pop stars, celebrities are now all gods to small groups of individuals . When a Tyrant gains power, he stays in power till another Tyrant or Tyrannical state remove him.
With a God. All holy works contain messages on morallity to live our lives by. Criminal systems are built on these books. But the masses do not read these books usually themseves. They have teachers (priests etc) to tell them what it means. Unfortunateley (my opinion) a lot of these are corrupt and immoral/amoral and teach what they believe and not what is meant. Religion is used to control the masses and would be a great thing if the leaders of these religions were moral and uncorruptable themselves.
The game made me think of a quote by Nietzsche, "Where has God gone?" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I.