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Mods for Nehrim - by GKalian

Posted: 13.06.2010 22:39

Well, Nehrim is made on Oblivion's platform so, we can make mods. I just did convertion for Nehrim - Xenius Race Compilation.

Main files
Nehrim .esp

Hope, you'd like it.

P.S. Maybe someone else did something?
I can try to make some smalll requests, by the way. Only clothes/armor/weapon.

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by Geronimou

Posted: 13.06.2010 23:16

That's cool! And is it possible to make questmods to nehrim? I'm not asking you to make one, just asking is it possible. And, by the way, cool race you made!

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by f3N3k

Posted: 13.06.2010 23:35

Geronimou wrote:
That's cool! And is it possible to make questmods to nehrim? I'm not asking you to make one, just asking is it possible. And, by the way, cool race you made!

Of course it is. Just like Oblivion, Nehrim is a Master File you can add stuff to by making .esp's .
Hence there shouldn't be andy problem designing any kind of mod for Nehrim that has been made for Oblivion.

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by ReymasofAshborne

Posted: 13.06.2010 23:53

This is great news!

Additionally, would current oblivion visual mods like texture packs and water improvements. work with Nehrim, or would they have to be made from scratch?

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by Geronimou

Posted: 14.06.2010 00:13

Can I make these mods with Construction Set? Though I'm not a much of a mod maker...

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by f3N3k

Posted: 14.06.2010 06:39

ReymasofAshborne wrote:
This is great news!

Additionally, would current oblivion visual mods like texture packs and water improvements. work with Nehrim, or would they have to be made from scratch?

Since texture mods do nothing but replace texture files they ought to work with Nehrim. Whether the textures they replace are used to a degree that would make that much of a difference is something else...

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by GKalian

Posted: 14.06.2010 08:14

You can install HGEC or TFF or Robert or another body replacer without problem, also you can install replacers for clothes and armor for your body. I just did it, all is quite okey.

P.S. Well, I'm waiting for localisation, so I'm planning to make some converts for Nehrim. Yeah.

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by alex2avs

Posted: 14.06.2010 12:22

I think many will let Oblivion alone and just make mods for Nehrim.
I started a translation mod(so far Plants/Flora and doors) myself , until the official one is out.

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by Maigrets

Posted: 16.08.2010 17:26

GKalian wrote:
You can install HGEC or TFF or Robert or another body replacer without problem, also you can install replacers for clothes and armor for your body. I just did it, all is quite okey.

P.S. Well, I'm waiting for localisation, so I'm planning to make some converts for Nehrim. Yeah.

Good news. I'll be installing HGEC and Robert's Male Replacer myself then.

I'll also more than likely be making some animal companions like I did for Oblivion if anyone is interested. Otherwise I'll have my own critter companions as I don't use any others.

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by einnashe

Posted: 13.09.2010 22:44

Maigrets wrote:
I'll also more than likely be making some animal companions like I did for Oblivion if anyone is interested. Otherwise I'll have my own critter companions as I don't use any others.

I might try to make a CM Partners-esque companion framework. The wilderness in Nehrim feels remote and isolating enough that it might be fun to have somebody to get lost with.

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by Oohh

Posted: 14.09.2010 08:15

i started the CS but there's no nehrim.esm on the TES file list. How do i change the file path to nehrim's ?

as for body/animation replacers, will it work if i just copy all the textures/meshes/animations folder to nehrim's data directory?

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by jibbered

Posted: 14.09.2010 12:55

would it be possible to convert the quietfeet mod for Nehrim? I get some serious stuttering when I get attacked by animals

Translated guide: Convert mods to Nehrim - by Roland Deschain

Posted: 14.09.2010 15:00

This is a translated guide how to convert oblivion-mods to Nehrim.

<<Original poster is Asgalor, so all credits have to go to him>>

<<If anything is wrong with the description it probably is my fault, his works fine.>>

You can find the original thread here,

http://www.sureai.net/forum/viewtopic.p ... 0&start=30

if you want to thank him or understand german good enough to read the original text.
(In this case I recommend his text, because my English certainly is not as good as his german)

It's quite long, so I put it in a spoiler:

[+]: This guide was written to show how I managed to convert Reznods mannequins, but it should work with most mods that mainly use scripts and/or certain items.
It won’t work for mods that either need places or NPCs from oblivion. That includes most house- or questmods.
Mods like Adash or houses in astral space might work for they completely take place in an own worldspace and just place a NPC or a door in oblivion.
Here you theoretically could just transfer these "entrance" to Nehrim, but note that I did not test that.

The following guide worked fine for Reznods Mannequins.
When trying to work with it, be aware that you do this on your own risk and do not forget to backup your saves.

What you need:

Nehrim (surprise!)

Construction set version 1.2
http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/in ... uction_Set

Wyre Bash
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368
The tool itself as well as the Wyre Python file

Tes4Edit
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11536

Important about Tes4Edit:

No matter where you install it, it creates a modlist based on Oblivion’s install path written in the registry. To change this to Nehrim’s install path we have to change this registry entry as described below:

WIN XP: start --> run, type regedit and press enter
Vista, Win 7: start--> type regedit in the search field and press enter.

In both cases the registry will open. Here we have to search for Oblivion’s entry.
We find it here:

Windows 7 64 Bit: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion]

Windows 7 32 Bit: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion] (in theory)

I tested the 64bit-path only, but the 32bit-path should be right, too.
If you follow that path, you will find an entry called "Installed Path". You have to change this path to Nehrim’s installation folder (e.g. d:\nehrim\).

You can close the registry once you have changed this entry and we’re ready to begin.

1.
Copy oblivion.esm into Nehrim/data and install all needed programs into Nehrim’s main folder. The construction set always installs itself into the Oblivion-directory, so we have to copy/move it to Nehrim's folder ourselves.

2.
Open tes4edit and choose the mod as well as the nehrim.esm.

3.
Now you should see nehrim.esm, oblivion.esm and the chosen mod with all content in a table. Right-click the mod and choose "add masters". Choose nehrim.esm as master.

4.
It’s getting more complex now. If you take a look at the modlist on the left side, you will see every mod is led by a two-digit number. e.g. 00 Oblivion.esm or 01 nehrim.esm
This number tells you with which number the FormID’s of this mod start. If we look at the FormID 01854E1A for example we know that this is an entry belonging to nehrim.esm.
If the entries were different, as 00 nehrim.esm and 01 oblivion.esm the Form id above wouldn’t' belong to nehrim.esm, but to oblivion.esm.

Important: with every start of the program the leading two digits change depending on the mods load order into tes4edit. The entries are changed automatically, but you have to take a look at them every time to prevent writing wrong ID's by accident.

5.
Now all non-mod-relevant entries in the list on the LEFT side that are just (changed) copies of the original game have to be removed.
With Reznods Mannequins that would be some cells that include merchants whose inventories have been changed so they sell mannequins now, for example.

You can identify those entries by looking out for the two digits that lead the oblivion.esm as well. The first time you remove an entry a message will appear asking you if you know what
you’re doing. After waiting some seconds just click yes, it won’t appear again until you exit the program and start again.

6.
Now we take a look at the remaining entries of the mod. To do so we click on the entries on the left side, and take a look at the content of it that then is shown on the right side. We do so to search for references pointing to other files' FormID’s.

As an example (from Reznods mannequins, german version) it might look like this:

HaendlerWarenLouis [CONT:001EACF8]. This is the merchants chest I put the mannequins in in Nehrim.
This entry means that the entry with the EditorID "HaendlerWarenLouis" is changed. The entry describes a container (CONT) and has the FormID 001EACF8. Because nehrim.esm is led by the numbers 00 at the moment, I know that this entry has to belong to nehrim.esm, while ReznodMannequinAbility "MannequinSpell" [SPEL:01000CE7] points to ReznodsMannequins.esp which is led by 01.

We search all entries on the right side for references and check their FormID. If they point to the mod we are willing to change or the nehrim.esm we can ignore them. Any entry that points to oblivion.esm we have to change.

Exceptions are form ids 00000007 and 00000014. These are used for the player. Don’t change them.

7.
To change them, we first look at the original entry in the oblivion.esm. If we for example found the entry (CreatureRat [CREA:00025314]), while oblivion.esm is led by 00, we search for the editor ID (CreatureRat) or the form id (00025314) in the oblivion.esm.
We can find the FormID either in the directory "creatures" (because of CREA) or just type it into the search field on the upper side.
Once we have found the original entry, we look up what it means. In this case, it describes the rat (Surprise!).
Now that we know what it means we have to change it with an equivalent entry from Nehrim. With a bit of luck it is exactly the same, because most entries have been copied and fitted into the new system. In other cases you have to search for something similar. If you, for example, don't find a specific chest that is used in the mod you might just use a different chest from Nehrim. When doing so, you shouldn’t' use entries that belong to a quest. Entries belonging to a quest usually begin with "MQ" or "NQ". Don’t use these!

Back to our example.
After some searching we find CreatureRat "Ratte" [CREA:01025314], which is very similar to the original entry.

8.
To change the reference we first have to copy it. To do so, just double-click on the new entry and choose copy in the new window. Once we've copied it we go back to the entry we want
to change and right-click on it, then click edit. Here we paste the new entry. Once we're done with that we close the window and go back to 5. We do that until we have corrected every entry on the left side.

9.
The difficult part is over for now. We save our work, close tes4edit (important, because the program protects the loaded data against changes by other programs while running!) and start wyre bash. It is installed in a folder called Mopy, located in the Nehrim folder.

10.
In Wyre Bash we click on the mod and look for its master files on the right side. If you can’t see it, just resize the window. It should say that oblivion.esm is the master file. Right-click on
Oblivion.esm and choose "change", select nehrim.esm as new master file. Ignore any other entries in that list. Save and close the program. (Note: in theory you can change the master file in tes4edit too by changing the header, but that doesn’t’t seem to work.)

11.
Our mod is "Nehrim-ready" now. What it still lacks is a way to get to the desired places/objects in the game. Plugins which do not place new objects/places in the game should be fine, you can probably
Skip the next step for those mods.

Start the CS and choose your mod as the active file. Nothing else. If we've done everything right, the CS should load just that mod and nehrim.esm. If we've missed something, oblivion.esm will be loaded, too. In this case go back to tes4edit and search for the mistake.
If everything went fine we now can start to put objects into Nehrim that link to the mod. When finished, just load the mod with Nehrim and start playing.
If the game crashes after the mod is active we probably have missed a reference to oblivion.esm. If strange things happen in thegame or odd graphics appear this probably is because of missing files or wrong edited references.

Please correct me if I got anything wrong.

@someone who really knows what he' s doing when using the CS:
In the english version there is a file for the localization that you have to load when starting the game, do you need that file loaded in Tes4Edit when editing oblivion mods for Nehrim? If that's the case please tell me so I can correct the guide.

Roland

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by Wuschel

Posted: 14.09.2010 16:30

jibbered wrote:
would it be possible to convert the quietfeet mod for Nehrim? I get some serious stuttering when I get attacked by animals

Fortunately, it´s not necessary to convert quiet feet to Nehrim. I´ve used the QF_Max_2.0 mod to solve that issue. There are different folders within the QF_Max_2.0 mod. You´ll have to figure out which one is the best solution for your soundcard. For me it was the "Whispered Feet Max Folder". Just copy the folder into your Nehrim/Data and Oblivion/Data folder and run Nehrim. If this shouldn´t solve the stuttering, it might be necessary to start Nehrim with the Obse-Loader, if it´s not already included in the Nehrim Launcher by patch. I was using a minimap mod, so I had to start Nehrim with the Obse-Loader. Since than, I never had any problems with stuttering.

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by Chasm

Posted: 14.09.2010 16:44

The Nehrim Launcher will start OBSE if it is installed.

Edit:
And since we had this question before: Yes, OBSE obviously must be installed in the Nehrim Folder...

Re: Translated guide: Convert mods to Nehrim - by Oohh

Posted: 14.09.2010 17:26

Roland Deschain wrote:
This is a translated guide how to convert oblivion-mods to Nehrim.

<<Original poster is Arandor, so all credits have to go to him>>

<<If anything is wrong with the description it probably is my fault, his works fine.>>

You can find the original thread here,

http://www.sureai.net/forum/viewtopic.p ... 0&start=30

if you want to thank him or understand german good enough to read the original text.
(In this case I recommend his text, because my English certainly is not as good as his german)

It's quite long, so I put it in a spoiler:

Please correct me if I got anything wrong.

@someone who really knows what he' s doing when using the CS:
In the english version there is a file for the localization that you have to load when starting the game, do you need that file loaded in Tes4Edit when editing oblivion mods for Nehrim? If that's the case please tell me so I can correct the guide.

Roland

thanks for the translated guide man, i've managed to convert moonshadow elves mod this far. Btw you don't need to load the localization esp in tes4edit when you're converting oblivion mods for nehrim.

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by jibbered

Posted: 15.09.2010 01:42

thanks for your help everyone. I guess I'm a bit behind the times with my Omods. I reinstalled the game just for Nehrim.
Es spielt jetzt viel besser!

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by JasonXtik

Posted: 15.09.2010 15:56

Deadly Reflexes anyone? It would be great. The vanilla combat just sucks.

Re: Mods for Nehrim (Toggleable Quantity Prompt) - by cryoknight

Posted: 16.09.2010 06:48

I used Tes4Edit to change the Toggleable Quantity Prompt's master file, to Nehrim.esm, instead of Oblivion.esm
Alas, the TQP mod would not do anything, even if I run Nehrim using OBSE 18 (TQP requires OBSE).

Since this is a mod that, once you've used it, it is so difficult to play without it, could somebody actually properly
convert it?

I've looked through the .esp file, and it says that it uses the GenericLore routine to handle the disabling of the
quantity prompt. I don't know much about Oblivion Modding yet, so I'm not sure what to do with that. Does Nehrim
use GenericLore at all, or does it do other stuff with it?

Re: Mods for Nehrim - by Lisnpuppy

Posted: 16.09.2010 11:58

cryoknight wrote:
I used Tes4Edit to change the Toggleable Quantity Prompt's master file, to Nehrim.esm, instead of Oblivion.esm
Alas, the TQP mod would not do anything, even if I run Nehrim using OBSE 18 (TQP requires OBSE).

Since this is a mod that, once you've used it, it is so difficult to play without it, could somebody actually properly
convert it?

I've looked through the .esp file, and it says that it uses the GenericLore routine to handle the disabling of the
quantity prompt. I don't know much about Oblivion Modding yet, so I'm not sure what to do with that. Does Nehrim
use GenericLore at all, or does it do other stuff with it?

OMG please please. I was just think about that today since I run it in Oblivion.

@GKalian....Thank you for that mod. I love those races. I would love to see more in the game.

Also I really don't understand the instructions for transferring the OB mods over. I did however put a few items in the game myself like Sinblood's latest. I just dropped the files in then added the items via the CS, put them in a chest and it was all good. If I did something like that one "some" item would it work for anyone? Sorry for the noobness but those other programs give me angst (lol). I think it was sheer luck that I got OBSE and the CS to work in Nehrim.

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