ninjamelody hat geschrieben:The point of the writers don't want us to fully understand the story, totally agree, hardly find anything to debunk this point haha.
BigElectricCat hat geschrieben:ninjamelody hat geschrieben: "Am I making guesses and missing some obvious information? How could you miss that?"
So that's our downfall. When a civilization gets to the point where its people think they've got all the answers... It gets nuked by these "high ones" and the whole cycle starts again?
Yep, makes sense. With pride as the main catalyst. As one side seeing the cleansing as a good thing to have, but the other side could see as a terrible upcoming destruction, got the Beacons and stuff, but turned out to be an even more important factor to make the cleansing happen because they and the older civilizations did not get the Numinos.
Aha, the NUMINOS! Is an objectification of what?
My closest guess is humility. The prophet's team's got all the resources, personnel, knowledge, strong desire to save. But yet they fell by pride. The clearest example is Arantheal not listening to his own team, it appeared that he didn't put effort on internal affairs, to make his team actually work like a team, how the loyalty of the Truchesa and Signet leader guy were lost. Also what has already been mentioned many times about Arantheal not being able to admit failure in past missions that failed and ended up killing civilians instead.
Observation: The only few characters that guess he's quite far from pride, are Calia and Arch Magister Lexil.
And how close were the main characters to be able to get the Numinos?
I think we were still far away, very unlikely that Yuslan Sha'Rim will be favor of Arantheal and not to destroy the Numinos. What if Arantheal became humble near the end and admit his faults and failures, will that help anything?
Still kind of bummed out that I can't do anything about investigating Peghast Lishari's murdur, picking up that capdust bottle raised my expectations so high, urghh.
Hmmm... Hadn't gotten to Numinos now that you mention it.
What does it mean? Define your terms. Heh!
Have to be patient with me.
Did a brief stint as adjunct faculty teaching "Freshman Composition" & later "Introduction to Philosophy." Hated trying to teach people how to write who don't
want to learn, but really enjoyed Philosophy. Fun to take the 'opposing side' for sake of discussion.
Unless it's German, don't think "Numinos" is a word, but it's very close to "Numinous" which can be taken to mean "deity or spirit over a place." Comes from Latin "
numen" & Roman religion mythology.
Nice bit about it at the wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numinous
But of course won't find 'deity' in Enderal, so we'll have to scratch that one and perhaps define 'spirit' not as some sort of ghost, but a mood or feeling. "The spirit of the times" as it were.
So humility will work, but what then, is our foolish pride? Thinking we can defeat some sort of ethereal bogey-man called "High Ones?"
But that's part of the Human Condition isn't it? Traditionally, that's seen as the noble lot of man to struggle against all the odds. Struggle against the impossible (avoiding death itself) even when he knows he can't possibly win. It's not about winning or losing; it's about not giving up, or one shirks that responsibility.
What would happen if the "Prophet" (meaning mouth-piece or spokesman for god or gods if not mistaken) decides to hare off and go exploring. Maybe get married and have a family? (Provided he isn't dead of course.)
Then the "High Ones" are basically screwed, or they'll just find another puppet. (At one point, I think they say how disappointed they are in their "Prophet."
"You're so boring... We thought you'd be... A little less predictable...")
So Tealor was a young officer who panicked and ended up being responsible for a massacre. Won't forgive himself (bad idea) and maybe that leads to inflexibility. He's *not* going to make that mistake again.
"Steady the Buffs!" He will carry out his duty-- even if it means setting off the Bomb! Talk about irony... What's a massacre when it comes to genocide?
The "High Ones" know he will fight to the end, so he's the perfect patsy for them.
And funny you should mention Arch Magister Lexil.
Of all of them, he seems the most level headed and reasonable.
What happened to him? Don't remember that part. Things don't go according to plan (they seldom do) but just when we might need him the most... Where did he go?
Guess I missed that part.
Shouldn't he have been at the beacon? He's basically the guy who built it right?
"Grandmaster this is insane. I cannot let you do this!"
Tealor kills him? He's conveniently written out of the story by someone's treachery again?
Brings up a final question that's certainly not new.
The fate of mankind (or at least Enderal) hangs in the balance, and yet we-- as mere humans-- cannot seem to set aside our petty jealousies, pride, thirst for revenge, etc.
If we're that bad, is our species worth saving?
Are the "High Ones" evil or are
we the ones who are evil? What are the "High Ones" anyway? Collective memories of past civilizations? Our civilizations were evil then?
Sort of reduces to a dog chasing its tail. Futile and probably quite dizzy!
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Final thought-- Yes! Agree about Lishari's murder. Maybe that was one of those things they had planned as a quest, but to leave out?